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Author: HIkekoa
Date: 2010-12-16 02:13
I recently purchased a Bliss 210 and even after i applied cork grease, the upper joint and lower joint are very hard to take apart. I was wondering what could be the cause of this problem because the guy at the music store seemed to do it with ease.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2010-12-16 04:34
It could be that the cork is too thick but most likely it is the wood of the tenon getting stuck in the socket at one or both sides of the cork. Maybe the person in the store is a lot stronger than you. Could also be from e.g. temperature change between store and your home, etc. Anyway this should be fixed under warrenty.
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Author: kdk
Date: 2010-12-16 12:35
This will sound like a dumb question, but I haven't kept up on the Bliss instruments. Is this model made of wood or a composite of some kind?
Karl
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2010-12-16 13:47
All they have to do is to sand the cork down slightly for you. It's a common problem with a new clarinet but usually happens in the summer when the corks tend to expand. If you continue to have a problem you may end up bending some keys. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-12-16 14:17
+1 for it's more likely tenons binding in the sockets than a cork problem.
Only get the tenons refitted by someone who knows what they're doing as they will only remove enough wood to achieve a good fit. If too much is taken off the tenon rings you could end up with wobbly joints no matter how thick the tenon cork may be, so don't go sanding anything if you don't know the root cause of the problem.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: PrincessJ
Date: 2010-12-16 15:54
I had the identical issue with my own Bliss 210, the excess material on the tenon was preventing the cork from doing it's job.
Removing a small bit of material from the tenon (not the cork) quickly and effectively solved the problem.
Follow Chris's word and get the job done by a professional. It's better to have too much material than too little.
-Jenn
Circa 1940s Zebra Pan Am
1972 Noblet Paris 27
Leblanc Bliss 210
1928 Selmer Full Boehm in A
Amateur tech, amateur clarinetist, looking to learn!
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2010-12-16 17:43
Since the 210 is grenadilla, it might need a little shaving to prevent sticking due to wood expansion. I know my Symphonie needed just a tad of adjustment in the middle joint. Seems to be a common issue these days.
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: Joseph Brenner, Jr.
Date: 2010-12-16 18:57
If your clarinet is still under a warranty, I'd suggest that you call the manufacturer to be sure that the manufacturer approves both the repairer AND the work contemplated to fix the problem.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-12-16 19:03
And as it should be under warranty as it's a recent purchase, contact the company you bought it from as they should be able to put it right or advise you who to take it to (and you shouldn't be charged for any warranty work by them or an approved repairer provided you haven't invalidated the warranty by doing anything yourself).
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: kdk
Date: 2010-12-16 21:57
It's hard to believe that the manufacturer would want anyone to send the instrument back for anything as simple as this. They must have authorized repair techs scattered about. Whether it's a sticky cork or swollen wood in the tenon or socket causing binding, either adjustment takes minutes or less.
Karl
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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2010-12-16 22:26
In the previous thread the the clarinet actually developed cracks due to the tenons being too tight which prompted the manufacturer to suggest that it be returned. In the case of the instrument being discussed in this thread I agree that it should be taken care of by a local tech.
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Author: HIkekoa
Date: 2010-12-16 23:18
Okay thanks for the advice i will just take it back to the shop to get it fixed
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2010-12-20 17:41
I'm renting a yamaha bass clarinet for a show. There are O rings on the tenons. This sounds like a great way to improve the standard way clarinets joints are made .
Freelance woodwind performer
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2010-12-21 04:24
>> Arnold, That's the way my Selmer Signature is. <<
Was this a later change done by someone? Selmer Signatures I've seen all had normal cork tenons.
>> I'm renting a yamaha bass clarinet for a show. There are O rings on the tenons. <<
I'm familiar with the Yamaha O-rings. IMO a normal cork tenon better.
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