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Author: Rima
Date: 2001-01-03 19:56
I have a vintage clarinet stamped "cabart a paris" and likely made between 1850 and 1900. Apparently, Cabart mostly made oboes and made very few clarinets. Anyone know anything about this brand? I may want to sell it to some one who would appreciate it (I don't play) - any idea how I would go about finding a home for it?
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Author: Fred
Date: 2001-01-03 20:27
With a little information that you may get from this site and some decent digitized photos, you could always list it on ebay. There you will reach a pretty large audience of people who know what they are looking at and can bid against each other. Trying to sell it locally might bring few if any inquiries due to the highly specialized audience you need to reach. This isn't one daddy's going to buy for junior starting in a band program.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-01-03 22:14
What makes you think it was made between 1850 and 1900? I've seen some of these on eBay but only later ones. Of course the really old ones don't come up too often.
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Author: Christopher
Date: 2001-01-04 03:07
I do not have the answer you are looking for, but I too have the same instrument you have. I emailed the company that bought CABART and they can't help me. The company is Loree. I will keep searching, but if you hear anything, please let me know and I could do the same. Just send me your email.
The only thing that Loree told me is that CABART was piked up by them in the 1950's.
Thanks
Chris
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Author: Dave Spiegelthal
Date: 2001-01-04 13:56
Last year I bought, restored, and sold a Cabart "A" clarinet (standard Boehm system). From some of the details of the mechanism, I'd date it to maybe between 1930 and 1950. It was a fairly decent instrument, but not a world-beater.
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Author: Stephen Froehlich
Date: 2001-01-04 21:46
So, when was the Boehm system introduced, and when did it become widespread. I've always thought, from anecdotal evidence that it was around 1910, and anything much before that would be Albert system.
On a related note, when did the Albert system appear?
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Author: Dee
Date: 2001-01-04 22:37
Check F. Geoffrey Rendall's book "The Clarinet." Both the Albert and Boehm systems were developed in the 1840s. Believe it or not, the Boehm was actually developed a year or two earlier. The Albert system was an enhancement of the earlier Mueller system where the Boehm was the result of apply the Boehm system, originally developed for the flute, to the clarinet.
Despite these advances, some players still continued to use the Mueller and even simpler clarinet key systems for decades after the introduction of the Albert and Boehm approaches. For players originally trained on Mueller and pre-Mueller systems, the Albert system would have been the easiest to get used to. The French, however, seemed to switch to the Boehm earlier than most. This makes sense since it was Klose, of the famed Klose method book, and Buffet, of clarinet manufacturing fame, who collaborated to produce the Boehm system clarinet.
In a sense, the Albert has not totally died out. In Germany and Austria, they use the Oehler system clarinet. The Oehler system is a further development of the basic Albert system.
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Author: Dave Spiegelthal
Date: 2001-01-05 19:10
Dee,
You really know your stuff! Thanks for the history --- posts like yours are a good example of how the Internet (and more specifically, well-run specialty websites such as this one) can be a marvelous educational tool.
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Author: Rima
Date: 2001-01-05 19:54
I agree!! Thanks to everyone for all the info - I've gotten farther on my research from your input than I have in the last few months of researching through libraries and museums. As I find out more, I'll be sure to share it on this bulletin board!
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