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Author: BobVin
Date: 2010-11-29 19:57
Hi,
I am given items to sell on behalf of a charity shop in my town, and today they gave me a clarinet. As I know absolutely nothing about clarinets I would hope that someone would be able to help me out so when I put it on ebay I will be able to describe it.
It has come with its hard case, a B&H wax, 6 additional reeds in cases, and on the clarinet it says, "B & H Series 1-10 Made For Boosey & Hawkes" serial number 895281, and the mouth piece says France on it.
If someone could tell me approximately when it was made and maybe approximately how much it would be worth etc. I would really appreciate it.
Thanks.
Bob
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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2010-11-29 20:40
The serial number seems off as B&H stopped making clarinets at a much lower number than this. Since it says "Made for Boosey & Hawkes" it is possible this clarinet was made by Shreiber as they were known to make some student-level clarinets for B&H.
The 1-10 was the low end student model from B&H. It was most likely made in the 60's or 70's. They can be good playing instruments but the retail value is probably only $20-$50 depending on the condition.
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Author: BobVin
Date: 2010-11-29 20:46
Hi,
Thank you so much for that information. Do you think if I checked to see if Shreiber has a website that I might be able to find the serial number there?
If I were to look to see what condition it is in, what exactly should I be looking for? As my untrained eye sees, it doesn't have any obvious cracks or chips in it.
Many thanks.
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2010-11-29 22:33
This is probably equivalent to a Buffet B12 student instrument as they were also made by Schreiber for B&H (who owned Buffet at one time) and the serial number seems to fit with the B12 range.
If it is that then it's probably more like a late 1990's date.
Don't think you will find it on Schreiber site and definately not on Buffet's as they only list their own made clarinets.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-11-30 01:29
In the mid '80s B&H had stopped production of oboes and clarinets and the true B&H Regent (and Series 1-10) was replaced with the Schreiber-built Regent II until it became rebranded as the Buffet B12.
As it says 'Made for B&H' it could be made by Schreiber (which is identical to a Buffet B12 apart from the logos).
Could you post some photos so we can work out what it is?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: BobVin
Date: 2010-11-30 12:41
Thanks Chris P. I will be posting some pictures today and if you can help that would be great.
Bob
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Author: BobVin
Date: 2010-11-30 20:02
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I have posted some pictures of the clarinet that I have to see if someone can identify it as there is some question as to whether it was manufactured by Boosey and Hawkes.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-11-30 20:06
It's a Buescher Aristocrat/Selmer Bundy - basically a Selmer (USA) stencil made for B&H. These are built like tanks and will last for years.
The B&H "78" was one of these as well. Probably from the '70s as the serial numbers of these (Selmer Bundys) hit the 1000000 mark in the '80s.
Selmer (USA) Bundy flutes and oboes were also stencilled as B&H "78" and some Selmer (USA) bassoons were also stenciled as B&H Emperor.
As soon as I saw the black velvet case lining in the first photo that immediately made me think 'Bundy' - then scrolled down to see the clarinet which confirmed that.
Check the completed listings for Selmer Bundy/Buescher Aristocrat clarinets to get an idea of price.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2010-11-30 20:29)
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2010-11-30 20:10
You left out one photo that might have positively identified your clarinet as NOT made by B&H; that is, a detail of the left-hand spatula keys. All B&H clarinets (as far as I know) used a tab on the spatula key to lift up a notch on the corresponding r.h. key piece; whereas (I think) all Schreiber and Buffet instruments used a metal (now nylon on some Buffets) pin on the spatula key going into a hole on the corresponding r.h. key piece. If that makes any sense....
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-11-30 20:17
The Evette/B&H Regent II/Buffet B12/E11 clarinets (basically any Schreiber-built clarinet) always had the stepped ends to the LH levers until the late '90s when they began fitting Buffet nylon pins.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2010-11-30 20:31
Aha! I didn't know that, Chris, thanks for the info. And I agree with you that the clarinet in questions sure does look like a Bundy.
As for being built like tanks, they can still be busted by a "dedicated" young person --- just this past weekend I repaired a seriously damaged bell tenon on a local Bundy. Had to cut off the remaining shards of tenon and graft on a complete replacement (reinforced with steel pins).
As an aside, I used the think the 'stepped end' LH lever design was inferior and a sure sign of "student clarinet construction", until I started working on a bunch of B&H clarinets and realized that the stepped end design has some advantages (mainly for the repairman, granted). If nothing else it eliminates the problem of clacking metal pins (or the equally irritating 'solution' of fragile nylon pins).
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-11-30 20:41
I wonder if this is one has a .590 or .577 bore?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: BobVin
Date: 2010-12-01 00:54
WOW, you guys lost me somewhere around Selma/Bundy/Buescher/Aristocrat and left hand spatula keys and a .577 bore!!!! hahaha
David, if I knew which section the "left hand spatula keys" were I could post a picture for you (that shows you how much I KNOW about clarinets)!!
So do I understand it right, that this clarinet is one that a student or beginner would play?
Chris, if I look on that listing that you told me about would I find it by the serial number??
Thanks for all this information, any anymore that you will provide.
Bob
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-12-01 05:20
I've just looked at the completed listings on eBay for Selmer or Bundy clarinets and they don't appear to be too popular which is a shame - most not commanding much between $9.99 to $25 on there (although most are listed as Buy it Now for around $100) and many of them went unsold. It is a beginner's instrument and I'd suspect it has a .590 bore like most Bundys/Bueschers.
It is a shame as once repadded, these will make a good instrument for any beginner or anyone wanting a plastic clarinet to play outdoors - they can be rebuilt for less than the cost of a new plastic clarinet and will be in a different league to all the cheap and nasty Chinese imports flooding the market that probably only last for 6 months before they're unplayable.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2010-12-01 08:57)
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2010-12-01 07:18
That seems to be the issue with all "good old" student-grade plastic clarinets - apparently they're deemed inferior to some Elbonian "YOUR LOGO HERE" instruments. And often we hear people (in here!) say "it's not worth repairing it".
Well, this is a buyer's market - there's not much money to be made with student instruments in questionable state of repair...
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Ben
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2010-12-01 13:09
Ben, you're quite right about the market. Right now I couldn't sell a sandwich to a starving man, but I have been picking up so many really good deals lately that I'm awash with instruments, for very little outlay.
There isn't a prayer of getting a "reasonable" sale price for a decent student clarinet such as a Bundy. Not to mention intermediate-grade clarinets, or pro instruments that are not labeled "Buffet". I have a bunch of horns I could have easily sold five years ago, but right now I'm not even going to try -- it's unlikely I'd recoup my investments in time and parts/supplies if I did.
Furthermore, with the cutbacks (and generally loss of interest) in school music programs in the US, there are lots of kids quitting the clarinet, so lots of used instruments available.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-12-01 14:58
I just looked at the completed listings in the UK for Selmer Bundys and they went for between £30 and £50, so it's definitely a buyer's market.
Just checking the completed listings on the most popular plastic clarinets shows used Buffet B12s fetched between £44 and £200, used Yamaha YCL-26II and 250s between £60 and £230, used Vitos between £40 and £60, used Jupiter 631s between £48 and £83, used B&H Regents between £25 and £77 and used Artleys between £14.50 and £40.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2010-12-02 11:04)
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Author: BobVin
Date: 2010-12-01 16:43
Thank you so much for all the information that you gave me. I will post it and see how much it will sell for for the charity shop.
Many thanks again!!
Bob
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2010-12-01 16:46
FWIW I just sold a (refurbished) Noblet Artist for ~$280.
Must be my superior marketing skills. ![[tongue]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie6.gif)
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Ben
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