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Author: Andy
Date: 2001-01-04 03:31
Late last year I went to see a show in my home town and was surprised first, then intrigued, then horrified when I heard the sax player doubling on bassoon using a mouthpiece. It looked a little wierd sounded like a goose getting killed, but yet I think I want one, maube just for novelty value. Also it will save me having to learn how to play a double reed if I can just pop on my mouthpiece and blow! Does anyone know where they come from or even better, where you can get them?
Thanks,
Andy
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Author: Mike
Date: 2001-01-04 04:33
I would think that what you saw was the single reed mouthpiece for Bassoon invented by Santy Runyon, a world class musician and manufactor of mouthpieces.
It was invented, so that young clarinet players would be able to play bassoon without fighting the double reed. However you don't just slap it on and play, there is the small problem of bassoon fingerings - you are still playing a bassoon, only one with a single reed.
You should be able to order one from your local music store. I'm sure the music store would be happy to sell you the "bassoon attachment" too.
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Author: Jim
Date: 2001-01-04 04:45
I doubled on oboe (also double reed and the soprano version of the bassoon) in high school many years ago. (Bad idea, I was terrible!) There was no mouthpiece, the double reeds are their own mouthpiece in a way, as they are mounted onto a cork adapter that fits into the tube atop the instrument. This has a very small diameter, I'm not sure how a mouthpiece could fit into it. I suspect that if somehow a single reed mouthpiece could be made to work on oboe/ bassoon, it would sound much like clarinet/ sax/ bass clarinet!
PS, in my experience, the double reed is extremely hard to master and is nothing at all like the single reeds. In fact, I found it easier to obtain a pleasant sound from brass instruments than the oboe.
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Author: deebee
Date: 2001-01-04 11:54
Yeah - try your clarinet mouthpiece on a tuba...
- instant octo-contrabass something, but it sort-of works!
...or put it on an ophicleide...
- hey! you've just re-invented the sax!
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Author: Dave Spiegelthal
Date: 2001-01-04 13:49
Even better: A bassoon reed on a trombone = TROMBOON! We used to play these in high school --- sound really cool.
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Author: Fred
Date: 2001-01-04 16:49
I've seen the contraption similar in principle to the one you mentioned on ebay a while back, only this contraption was a clarinet mp designed to fit an oboe. It sold pretty high as I recall.
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 2001-01-04 17:11
The oboe mouthpiece on eBay sold for an astronomical price because it was a Chedeville. Another one, without a "name," came up a month or so later and got no bids.
Several years ago, I met a fellow who was an excellent oboist and clarinetist. He had an oboe mouthpiece and sounded like a pretty good oboe on it, though not as good as with a real oboe reed. He said he used it for marching band.
I know that a bassoon version exists, but haven't heard one. The little bassoon playing I've done showed me that bassoon embouchure is not too hard to learn -- much easier than the fingering.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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Author: Willie
Date: 2001-01-04 21:17
There used to be some single reed MPs made to fit oboe and bassoon. The one I saw was made I believe by Conn. If I remmember right, you had to use a modified Eb reed. They were made mainly doublers and only sounded SORT OF like an Oboe.
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Author: Amanda Rose
Date: 2001-01-04 23:21
No Fair! Dave stole mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love the tromboon!!!!!!!
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2001-01-05 12:49
Jim: 2 points:
1. The mouthpiece probably fits OVER the pipe as do the double reeds and the moutpiece of a sax.
2. The characteristic sound of the bassoon ( oboe) is on account of their tapered bore. They could never sound like a clarinet which has a sound characteristic of a basically cylindrical bore.
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Author: Dave Spiegelthal
Date: 2001-01-05 14:35
To Amanda: Since I suspect that I am considerably older than you are, it would follow logically that, in fact, YOU stole MY tromboon, would it not? Anyway, I'm considering quitting my day gig to begin a solo career as a tromboon player, performing "smooth jazz" tunes (for use in elevators and doctors' offices) under my stage name "Davey S". I'm just waiting for two things to happen: I have to grow more chest hairs, and I have to learn how to play out of the side of my mouth.........
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Author: Luke
Date: 2003-12-31 08:19
Don't forget, the tone and response still depend on which reed you use. The bassoon mpc takes Bb clarinet reeds, the oboe mpc is really small and even Eb clarinet reeds might be too big (Soprillo sax reeds maybe?). Santy Runyon recommended Rico Plasticovers for use with this bassoon mpc as they produce the most "natural" bassoon sound.
By the way, what's everyone using as a ligature for these things? Hope we're not resorting to duct tape or anything like that.
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Author: Bob A
Date: 2003-12-31 16:58
That would be a real gasser--Davey S on the "Tromboon" accompanied by Donnie, his Donkey. Y'all all have a Happy New Year. ![[toast]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smiley15.gif) Reads like yah been at the sauce just a little early eh? ![[grin]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie5.gif)
Bob A
Post Edited (2003-12-31 17:00)
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Author: ron b
Date: 2004-01-01 01:59
and... just what's the matter with duct tape???
...anyway - this fella I know made a mouthpiece for his sarrousaphone by modifying a soprano sax mouthpiece. Filled the big end of the mouthpiece with epoxy, then drilled (off center, toward the 'top') and reamed 'til it fit the bassoon style lead pipe.
...well, okay, duct tape mighta ruined its resonance for all I know - but....
it sounded pretty good to me 
- r![[cool]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/cool.gif) n b -
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Author: Wes
Date: 2004-01-01 06:22
The Jack Spratt company on the East coast sold both the oboe and bassoon mouthpieces at one time. The bassoon mouthpieces are listed on the Runyon internet site. While Mr. Runyon, still gigging at an advanced age, is a genius, there is no way that a single reed mouthpiece can compete with a double reed mouthpiece.
As an oboe player, I can testify to the endless hours of work and study required to play acceptably with others. It also requires the teaching by an artist teacher for a long time. The price of admission to the double reed world is high in both time and money. Good luck!
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Author: Francesca
Date: 2004-01-01 06:35
I just finished my double reed techniques class, and I found the transition of clarinet/bass clarinet to bassoon to be fairly easy. Basson fingerings are quite similar to the clarinet's, with the exception of the lowest notes and the upper octave. To be honest, I'm pretty horrified with the idea of a mouthpiece for double reed instruments. It's hard enough to tune the silly things without adding mouthpiece dimensions to the mix. If you're truly interested in bassoon, pick it up and learn it like countless others before you have. I promise, it's not impossible. Good luck!
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Author: Mark Pinner
Date: 2004-01-02 05:35
Heckel use crooks with a single reed attachment to test instruments during manufacture. The physical blowing, ie. getting some sort of sound, a bassoon with a double reed is actually quite easy. Most single reed players should be able to get at least a few notes out of a bassoon. I don't know why anybody would bother with one of these single reed contraptions, other than techs/ makers doing testing work. They are expensive, sound like sh*t and demean a great instrument. If you want to play a bassoon, then learn it the proper way!
Dee Bee has written a great unaccompanied Bassoon work called 7 Miniatures for Bassoon. Any bassoonists out there should get hold of a copy.
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