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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-11-20 13:47
What other makes or instrument types do you regularly see wrongly spelt in classified/auction listings?
Tenner saxaphone is an all-time classic, especially if it's 'sort after' (unless it's a 'right off').
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
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Author: jasperbay
Date: 2010-11-20 15:01
For months I thought it was Buffet-Crampton, cuz thats how evrywun speld it.
Clark G. Sherwood
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-11-20 15:07
Buffet Crampion and Buffet Champion clarinets are often seen listed on the famous auction site.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
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Author: PrincessJ
Date: 2010-11-20 17:13
The inevitable and infamous Buffet Crampton is one I come across regularly, along with LaBlanc ((sigh)).
I too have seen Buffet Champion a couple times.
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2010-11-20 17:21
"Cousenon" or "Cousnon" rather than the correct "Couesnon". I once saw a "Semler" advertised. Many mouthpieces have been identified as "Leo Bundy" rather than "Geo. Bundy".
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2010-11-20 19:22
I forgot one that even fooled me for a while: the logo on the bell of the Boosey & Hawkes clarinet and sax models called "The Edgware", because the odd squarish font they used looks like "The Fogware" when the logo is a bit worn.
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Author: gsurosey
Date: 2010-11-21 00:13
> "Cousenon" or "Cousnon" rather than the correct "Couesnon".
I never knew which was correct or incorrect with this. Thanks!
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Author: jasperbay
Date: 2010-11-21 01:36
I've got two Fogwares and 3 Edgwares, acording to the sellers anyway! Just got a Malverne Standard too. I think the Leo Bundy mouthpieces play a little 'brighter' than the Geo Bundy models.
Clark G. Sherwood
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2010-11-21 09:15
My favourite is still (in a french auction) an instrument sold "en condition menthe" (i.e. "in mint condition").
Currently there are two "Bundy Selma 11" instruments out there...
"SLM" gets a few hits as well...
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Ben
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Author: Chris J
Date: 2010-11-21 09:35
And how many times have you seen (comparing the photograph to the written description) the word "Oboe" mis-spelt as c-l-a-r-i-n-e-t...?
Chris
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2010-11-21 12:53
I've seen a fair number of Selmas and a couple of Vitas. Also a Pennzoil.
Tony F.
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2010-11-21 15:28
"DefinAtely?"
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: chris moffatt
Date: 2010-11-21 20:20
Brilhardt & Peddlar come to mind. But culled from just today's listings I find a "grinadilo" clarinet.
And do you mean it's not Buffet-Crompton.......?
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2010-11-21 20:43
Harrod's Buffet is on Brompton Road... ![[tongue]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie6.gif)
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Ben
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2010-11-21 23:37
Given some of the quality control issues (especially with "their" E-11), why not call them "Buffet Crapshoot?" ![[rotate]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smiley25.gif)
The one that gets me most is LeBlanc. The B is not supposed to be capitalized.
It's almost as annoying as talking about reed "sizes." ![[hot]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/hot.gif)
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2010-11-21 23:53
>>I've seen a fair number of Selmas and a couple of Vitas. Also a Pennzoil.
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Ah, the famous Pennzoil. That's the one where you have to use 30-weight instead of cork grease.
Some of those misspellings are deliberate. At flea markets and junktiques stores, I occasionally see clarinets labelled (permanently, on the instruments and cases, not just in ads) "Selner" and "Baffet." These are imported, cheap, plastic clarinets, with logos clearly meant to deceive.
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-11-22 00:02
There's also Lablanc and La Blanc to look out for.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2010-11-22 00:40
>>There's also Lablanc and La Blanc to look out for.
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Yes! And I've seen those Chinese clarinets with the red plastic pads labelled "LeBlano" and "Yanaha."
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
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Author: PrincessJ
Date: 2010-11-22 13:30
The B in Leblanc is not supposed to be capitalized? Heh, that one even got me for a while there. I see it capitalized very frequently online, it's extraordinarily confusing.
Anyone remember those Norblet paris clarinets? >.>
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2010-11-22 13:35
I haven't seen any "Norblet" clarinets, but have seen quite a few "Noble" clarinets advertised on TIIASWNSNBM.
Still trying to sort out the confusion over LaMargue and LaMarque, both of which I've seen on the same auction site -- don't know if these are from the same maker, and if so, which is the correct spelling. I even once had one of these instruments but the logo was worn and with the font they used it was hard to distinguish a "g" from a "q".
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Author: TianL
Date: 2010-11-22 21:19
i've seen kasper mouthpieces on that auction sites a couple of times too
and chris, getting oboe and clarinet wrong is not that bad.. i mean.. they do look a bit similar.. but one time someone was selling a plastic, black-body "flute", and with a couple of reeds..
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Author: PrincessJ
Date: 2010-11-22 21:51
I totally saw that "flute" about a week or so ago myself. I had to do a triple take.
Also, I've seen the "Noble Clarinets" a couple times but not on the infamous auction site. It was some other place online a long time ago.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-11-22 22:18
I've seen several old 8-key wooden flutes listed as oboes on there too.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2010-11-23 13:08
clarnibass wrote,
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>> i've seen kasper mouthpieces <<
>Are they friendly?
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Yeah, but only clarinet players can see them....
David Spiegelthal wrote,
>>Still trying to sort out the confusion over LaMargue and LaMarque, both of which I've seen on the same auction site -- don't know if these are from the same maker, and if so, which is the correct spelling. >>
Hmm. Interesting and possibly tongue-in-cheek choice of a company name, if LaMarque is right. By international treaty, England and most of Europe, with the exception of Spain, outlawed privateering in 1856, but before that, La Marque was the letter a privateer obtained from the government for purposes of posing as a legitimate businessman. Henry Morgan and Edward "Black Bart" Teach held Letters of Marque from England, for instance, until they got busted as plain old pirates. Of course, a cynical person might say that the definition of abusing a Letter of Marque mostly had to do with failing to turn over the requisite portion of the booty to bribe certain high-level officials, oops, I mean pay the taxes.
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2010-11-23 13:33
Here's an example of that document Lelia was writing about.
(Interesting. I wonder if Somalia ever signed that treaty...)
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Ben
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2010-11-24 14:35
Ben, thanx for posting that handsome Napoleonic document!
>>I wonder if Somalia ever signed that treaty... >
Pirates who claimed they were privateers operated with enthusiasm from both coasts of Africa at the time. I don't recall who then governed the area that's now modern Somalia, but the treaty did obligate colonial powers to enforce it in their colonies.
The United States of America didn't sign that treaty, by the way. Privateering by the old definitions remained legal here until 1908, when the U.S.A. signed the 1907 Hague Convention. Among other things, that convention defined governments' right to hire private contractors to assist in war and maritime law enforcement efforts (as the U.S.A. has done in Iraq and Afghanistan, for instance), so in a sense, privateering continues.
Well, sorry about hijacking the thread. I think if the makers of "LaMarque" clarinets meant to make a piracy joke, it must have been a cross-reference to the other kind of piracy: trademark violations, mislabelling and so forth.
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2010-11-24 15:08
Lelia, your history of piracy and privateering is all very interesting ![[grin]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie5.gif) , but somehow I think that the explanation of "LaMarque" is probably much simpler and more innocent, probably along the lines of the literal translation "The Brand".
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2010-11-24 16:21
David Spiegelthal wrote:
> Lelia, your history of piracy and privateering is all very
> interesting , but somehow I think that the explanation of
> "LaMarque" is probably much simpler and more innocent, probably
> along the lines of the literal translation "The Brand".
I wonder when we'll see the first instrument labelled "YOUR LOGO HERE".
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Ben
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-11-24 16:56
It'll be supplied with transfers so you can put whatever name on it you like.
Oh yeah - seems they already do that in China!
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
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Author: ohsuzan
Date: 2010-11-24 19:46
Well played, all of you!
It's threads like this that keep me hooked on the Clarinet Board!
Susan
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2010-11-24 22:54
I'm surprised after all this time that no one has mentioned Forbes mouthpieces.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2010-11-25 01:21
Good catch, Jack! I've seen some of those "Forbes" mouthpieces, they are green (the color of money) I think.
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Author: chris moffatt
Date: 2010-11-25 13:09
Afew days back I saw listed on TIWSWNMNBM:
"clarinet has no markings; name on lyre is 'Depose France'".
Anyone know if he was at La Couture or Paris?
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2010-11-25 15:35
David Spiegelthal wrote:
> Lelia, your history of piracy and privateering is all very
> interesting , but somehow I think that the explanation of
> "LaMarque" is probably much simpler and more innocent, probably
> along the lines of the literal translation "The Brand".
No doubt you're right. I've had to do some research on privateering for something I'm writing and pirates have hijacked my brain.
chris moffat saw a listing that said,
>>"clarinet has no markings; name on lyre is 'Depose France'".
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I love it! Reminds me of an incident on the TV program, "Antiques Roadshow," when an owner brought in a violin with a Stradivarius label. This owner thought that "Fac. Anno 1720" (or whatever the date was) really said, "Fac. Anna" -- and that it meant Stradivarius had dedicated this violin to his wife, Anna. And that made it especially valuable. The violin was the usual German student-quality copy with a fake label.
Lelia
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2010-11-25 16:11
Ben -
I've seen a photo of an actual sign in Japan saying "This program has performed an illegal operation and will shut down. Press any key to continue."
Ken Shaw
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Author: chris moffatt
Date: 2010-11-26 00:56
To almost close the circle I like to think that Monsieut Depose's first name is "Marque".......
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Author: RJShaw0
Date: 2010-11-26 11:05
I saw a Van Doren mouthpiece on "that site" recently
I also saw a "Solid ebony clarinet". It did not look promising.
RJS
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-11-26 13:08
"I also saw a "Solid ebony clarinet". It did not look promising."
Yeah, you wouldn't get much sound from one if it hasn't been hollowed out.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2010-11-26 13:28
Maybe not, but you could use it to strike a gong.
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2010-11-27 13:38
Here are a couple more:
"the auction site that must not be named" for eBay (found here rather than in auction listings).
and
effer (which would be a clarinet in F, perhaps a basset horn?) for eefer.
(though I must admit there are times that I refer to my eefer as "that little effer" but I'm not thinking about its key then. )
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2010-11-27 13:58
Jack, depending on the nature of one's frustrations, it could be"that effin' effer." ![[toast]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smiley15.gif)
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2010-11-28 12:37
Indeed, "saxaphone" is so common that even some people who play the sax spell the word that way.
One of the most common typos is "clarient." I'm guilty of that one if I'm not careful. Another common typo: "clairnet." Misspelling common at flea markets and on auction tags: "claranet."
Lelia
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-11-28 16:33
As well as Boosey and Hawkins/Hakes Edgeware, there's B&H Regency clarinets that turn out to be oboes (and vice versa).
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-12-23 13:09
Just remembered the name Keilwerth seems to cause all manner of problems in both classified and on company websites - Keilworth, Kielworth, Kielwerth - just look at the name on the bell, it says 'Keilwerth'!
Former oboe finisher
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1998 - 2010
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Author: BrianChau
Date: 2010-12-24 21:22
I just saw a Yamaha clarinet made in "Janpan" on that auction site
Brian Chau
University of British Columbia Concert Winds
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