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Author: Robin
Date: 2000-12-31 02:07
What are these allstate things? They do seem to cause quite a deal of angst among players on this board!
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Author: Stephanie
Date: 2000-12-31 03:33
Robin, All State is an honor band. You go and tryout at a designated place in your district. it is very difficult most of the time. They only take 4 clarinets in Jr. High and 12 in Sr. High. If you get accepted, it's definitely an honor. The people that make it are usually extremely good players.
Hope this helps
Stephanie
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Author: stephen
Date: 2000-12-31 03:33
All-state is a band held each year for the best of the best of High School student all around that particular state to come together to play in a different variety of bands, your age and playing ability determine which band you make.
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Author: stephen
Date: 2000-12-31 03:34
that says alot stephanie, seen as how you made 4th chair last year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-12-31 04:23
Stephanie wrote:
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> Robin, All State is an honor band. You go and tryout at
> a designated place in your district. it is very difficult most
> of the time. They only take 4 clarinets in Jr. High and 12 in
> Sr. High. If you get accepted, it's definitely an honor. The
> people that make it are usually extremely good players.
>
> Hope this helps
> Stephanie
In principal this is correct but every state is different. These are the numbers for your state. Some states take quite a lot more than that. For example, the one that I was in (oh way too many years ago) was 20 clarinets.
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Author: Allen Cole
Date: 2000-12-31 04:34
Virginia has two All-State Bands (Concert & Symphonic) with 24 clarinets each.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2000-12-31 04:39
Just a little note:
All-State is wonderful for those that like that sort of thing, but I'd hesitate to call it the "best of the best of High School". Some people choose not to participate, not because they can't get in, but because they don't believe in that sort of competition or they're in a school with a very limited budget and, as we know, one of the first things to go is the arts.
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Author: Rob
Date: 2000-12-31 06:58
In addition to what Mark mentioned, I can also add that when I was in High School (in NJ) our band normally placed 1o to 15 people in all state in any given year, but there were those who did not participate because the level of competition was not high enough for it to be a challenge to them. I know our first oboe player never participated because the auditions conflicted with her weekend studies at Julliard. This does not diminish the importance though, of the competition and the experience of playing in different ensembles under different direction (different than what you are used to during the scholl year). I found it to be a most rewarding and enjoyable experience and one through which I met one of my oldest, dearest and closest friends - we shared a stand in all state band.
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Author: Gene Wie
Date: 2000-12-31 10:57
...that and since the events tend to be "regional" even though they call themselves "All State," there tends to be a disparity between the number of locals that attend the event compared to those farther away (and this is very true in California).
Also, schools were permitted to send only a certain number of players each to *audition*...now, what happens here? In large schools with well established music programs, competition for those slots to audition is fierce. In smaller schools with fewer players of the required caliber, the opportunity to audition to attend is available for all those interested.
...so there might be a single school with ten fantastic players, half of whom will not attend All State that year because regulations prohibit their school from sending more than perhaps five musicians to audition and/or attend the event. A school with nothing but deadbeats tries to send five people, and none them end up being selected. And this policy benefits who how?
How in the world did anyone ever think that this style of selection would bring together the best players?
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Author: jbutler
Date: 2000-12-31 12:33
Gene,
Each state is different. I do tend to believe that Texas has a wonderful All-State band audition process. I will confess that I have only taught in one other state besides Texas. There is not a limit on the amount of students a director can send to All-Region band audition or orchestra auditions. Students who make a high ranking at All-Region are seleted to go on to the All-Area auditions. The number of students going on to Area is determined by the numbers needed to fill the two All-State bands and two All-State orchestras. At the Area competition those who rank the highest in their section are selected for All-State, but the must audition again at State to get seating (ranking) order, ie, which band/orchestra and which chair. There is also a ATSSB. This is an All-State organization for the small schools in Texas (3A and below). Since these schools do not have equal access to private instruction this organization was formed about ten years ago. It is now a part of the TMEA sanctioned events just like the regular All-State. Students from these smaller schools have a choice to participate in the audition process with all Texas students or just with the ones from rural areas. There is not an all state audition for middle school or junior high. No audition process is flawless, but it does give the aspiring young musician something for which to strive.
John
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Author: Rissa
Date: 2000-12-31 16:30
Where I'm from (Tennessee), we have a sort of "pre-limbs"......our state is regionally divided into 3 sections...Middle (where I'm from), East and West. First The high schoolers, and middlers too, try out for the rigional band, and then the top players are selected for All-State (only from the high school band). For Middle TN they take the top 10 clarinets out of the 1st band because there are 2 bands. I'm not sure how they take for the rest of the state...so, we get a chance to play with 2 honor bands, which is really fun! If anyone wants to check out the site, the adress is: www.visitweb.com/mtsboa For each section, the All-State players from this year have their names in red. In March or so, all the all-staters will congregate in Nashville, have chair placement tryouts, and have a weekend of great fun!
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Author: Melanie
Date: 2000-12-31 18:52
Georgia has 2 levels for their all-state auditions. The first, like Tennessee's, occurs at the regional (we call them districts -- there are 13) level. One must have a score about a certain limit to be able to advance to the next level of the audition process. For high school clarinets, the minimum score is 85, so all clarinetists with scores above that advance to the next level. The results from the first audition are tabulated to get the instrumentation for the district bands, and then the second audition is for all-state only. Students have an opportunity to play in both bands, and the chairs can change drastically from district to all-state. I know I sat ahead of some people at district, but they sat ahead of me at all-state. It's all based on how you played at one particular moment. The second audition is behind a screen so there is no bias from the judges. The score sheets have numbers instead of names, too.
Melanie
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Author: Robert Carrillo
Date: 2000-12-31 19:27
I played in the Texas All-State band my sophomore year of high-school and had a wonderful experience! I hate to say it, but it is generally known that the Texas All-State program is the best, due to the audition process and the sheer numbers of players that the large state has to draw from. Everyone hates Texans because they always brag about their music programs! I am a junior in high school now, and I go to the Interlochen Arts Academy. I know I was't very helpful, but seeing as how tons of people already responded, I just thought I'd put in my own two cents. : )
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Author: Keil
Date: 2000-12-31 19:31
In Virginia, as it was mentioned before, we are broken up into districts, i'm not sure how many there are but i'm guessing about 10 or 12. I myself am in district 2. Newayzzz... from there they take the top 7 clarinetist from the Symphonic band to go to JMU, James Madison University, to compete for slots in the 2 bands and orchestra. Regardless of how high or low your score is you must be on of the top 7 clarinets or 1st Eb to go receive an all state audition. We also have what is known as regional orchestra which auditions 2 months before district band auditions. There are i think 2 regional orchestras if not 3 in the state of virginia. They take 2 clarinets. The regions are made up of districts. So what we have are small districts, medium regions, and a large state. If you were chosen as 1 of the 2 clarinets in regional orchestra then you automatically get a state audition. For those who are smart the will audition for regional orchestra on Bb clarinet and district band on Eb and get an all-state audition on 2 instruments. Me myself i'm 2nd Bb and 1st Eb but because i am going to play Bb in district band i can only audition on Bb at all-state. I couldn't audition for regional orchestra because of a marching band competition. Newayzzz.... from there you audition at JMU against the top 7 clarinets of each district. The competition is steep and strenous but because there is not a set score regard to advance to the state level there are some clarinets there that aren't as advanced as others. Each band at all-state takes 24 clarinets and the orchestra takes 2. In deciding who will go to the orchestra the 1st two clarinets in the state have a choice of doing either orchestra or the symphonic band, if they both choose orchestra then the 3rd and 4th advance to 1st and 2nd in the symphonic band, if they both reject then the 3rd and 4th are offered the spot. Of course there are situations when the 1st wants to go on to orchestra and the 2nd doesn't or vice-a-versa and then they go to the next chair. I was under the impression that only the people who made regional orchestra we eligible to audition for the State orchestra but i was told that it is open to everyone as long as it is marked on the audition sheet. Basically that is Virginia's all-state situation. At all levels the audition is behind a screen. I find all-state to be a bit less efficient then district band only because there is no prepared piece only two scales, chromatic, and two sightreadings. Sightreading weighs the heaviest when tallying the score.
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Author: Rob
Date: 2000-12-31 21:15
In NJ the state was divided into 3 regions and you had to rank above a certain level to qualify to audition for all state. There seemed to be little disparity in development among the regions, probably because NJ has Philadelphia in the south and NYC in the north. The only thing that limited the number of people a high school could send to all state auditions was the number of people they had that had already qualified in their region. Each region had a wind ensemble (with those who ranked highest in auditions) and a symphonic band (with everyone else). In a typical region band audition, there were usually about 300 or so clarinets going after about 35 seats. After that, I think it was something like the top 20 from each region could audition for all state band, which was about the same size. Then the top four clarinets still in their junior year or below took the four clarinet seats in all state orchestra - with no audition. Seniors couldn't place in all state orchestra during their senior year because the concert took place the following school year. I thought it was a pretty good system, and it was loads of fun. I must admit though, some of it didn't always seem quite fair. In my junior year, about a third of the clarinets came from my high school. Granted, we were a pretty competetive bunch but I think we took 13 of the 35 seats (in the region) and I think 5 of them were in the upper band (wind ensemble) which only took 9 clarinets itself. We were very proud of ourselves.
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Author: Stephanie
Date: 2001-01-01 03:59
Wow, I wish Alabama's All State auditions were like some of ya'lls! The way it works around here is that the state is divided into 8 districts. During January usually we have District/All state auditions. I know that none of the schools I"ve been to have had limits on who can try out simply because there aren't that many that usually do. Anyway, we would go and audition; it was in 2 parts. First, you have to pass scales. 5 in Jr. High and 9 in Sr. High. If you pass, you go on and play your 3 exercises for 2 other judges who are behind a screen so there is no discrimination. Last year, the top 4 scores made the Jr. High All State band. Those 4 automatically made the Jr. High District Honor Band. Then they took the next 8 (I think, could've been more) highest scores for the District band. In Sr. High, the people who had the 12 highest scores made it into 1 of the 3 Sr. High All State bands. The top 4 of those made Red band, the next 4 white and the next 4 blue. These 12 people also automatically make the Sr. High District Band. Anywayz, sometime in spring, usually in April I think, the clarinets from each region come together and audition for chairs in the band that they made, which was determined at the district tryouts. I, for one, think that All State is a great experience. I made 4th chair in the Jr. High band last year (bragging, I know. I gotta stop). Now I'm in 10th grade and have to try out on Sr. High music. That's a different story, lol. Anyways, You get to meet people from all over the state and get to be under the direction of someone other than your band director at school. And besides, why wouldn't I like it? I met my boyfriend there! Hehe. Well, just thought I'd tell how it works here in lil 'ol Alabama since everyone else was telling about their states. I like to compare. Well, gotta go now! Happy New year!
Stephanie
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Author: Stephanie
Date: 2001-01-01 04:04
oh, hehe, I forgot to put that in addition to those 12 that automatically make the Sr. High district band, they also take around 12 more, if there are that many that try out!
Really going now
Stephanie
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Author: Keil
Date: 2001-01-01 05:28
Hey Stephanine I know the girl who was 1st clarinet in state last year! If you see her tell her that a good friend in Va from BUTI says hi! Thanx
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Author: Stephanie
Date: 2001-01-01 17:53
What's her name? I might have met her, but I wasn't in the same band. If I didn't, my section leader prolly did.
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Author: Francesca
Date: 2001-01-01 21:37
Six states also do All-Northwest. It includes Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming. I auditioned on bass clarinet and was accepted! I'm really excited. I went to All-State last year and it was a blast. It coincided with April Fools' Day, so you can imagine what kind of mischief 200 band students can get into!
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Author: lee
Date: 2001-01-01 23:50
Does anybody know the audition process for NewYork and does anybody know how to get in contact with them for info about auditions?
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Author: Ashley
Date: 2001-01-02 03:18
The Iowa system is pretty messed up, i wish they did it like some of these other states, 2 levels and such... It would be a lot fairer then. They have the state divided into six regions (north west, north central, north east, south west, south central, and south east - iowa's a pretty square-shaped state and each region goes to one site on a given day (3rd saturday in october, always). They accept however many they want to... well, they decide the instrumentation of the band (and orchestra), divide it by 6, and thats how many each center can take. for example, there were (I think) 72 clarinets in the entire band, 12 basses, 6 Ebs, 6 altos, 6 contras..something like 25 horns, 6 percussion, 12 alto sax, 6 tenors, 6 baris, a whole lot of flutes and trumpets...i dont know what else Whichever center(s) have the most auditioning on a particular instrument also takes another one for the orchestra. At my center they auditioned 15 bass clarinets, took 2 for the band and the one for the orchestra. It's really really REALLY weird how they do it. The north central district is absolutely the hardest to get in on any instrument (Jazz band is really bad there too, my luck I'm in the NC district :( ). There seems to be a "core" of each instrument, about 5 or so really good players on each instrument, and its really hard to get in if youre not one of them. If youre in the western districts, well, you can be really really BAD and get in. The competition is messed up. I think theres 275 people inthe band, the orchestra is something like 177. huge chorus, 600. They do chorus, orch, and band all the same day and the same place, you cant audition for more than one. (unless its winds getting into the orch) Its weird, very very weird......
-ashley-
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Author: Julia
Date: 2001-01-02 20:42
There are so many different ways of doing it...NY, where I live, is divided into zones. There's and Area-All State which is, I think, made up of two or three zones---so basically there is more than one area all state band, orchestra , or whatever. Basically what it depends on is NYSSMA (New York State School Music Association) solos which anybody can do. Area all State and Conference ALL state are only for high school students, and conference is only for juniors and seniors. For grade school we have all county. The biggest problem with our method is that there is more than one site for each zone. (We usually have two) The difference is the people that go to each one, the adjucators are usually harder at one than the other, and so on...
Also, a factor is the solos. We have solos categorized on 6 levels, or grades (what they're called). To get into conference you have to play a solo that is designated as a grade 6 all state. (there are also grade 6's that aren't all state solos) And of course, some solos that are really good solos, that are just as hard as an all state grade 6, are classified as 5. SO...sometimes that's really a pain. All in all, I think these things are good to do because it gives you more experience playing with different people under different directors, but it really doesn't say much about your ability---for a lot of reasons.
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