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 Staccato and Double Tongue
Author: sonicbang 
Date:   2010-10-12 20:05

I would like to know how many of you can do the double tongue technique? Do you find it an average skill or not? My simple tongue goes about 140 in scales, and I can make little progress in this way. I started to practise DT a month ago and it's very hard.

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 Re: Staccato and Double Tongue
Author: Ed Palanker 2017
Date:   2010-10-12 22:20

When you play the scales are you talking about quarter notes, eight notes or sixteenth notes? Makes a big difference. If it's 16th notes you're doing very well speed wise. Check my website for some hints on tonguing. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com

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 Re: Staccato and Double Tongue
Author: William 
Date:   2010-10-13 14:24

I can double tongue quite well using the ta-ka method and, as I have a slow tongue, use it frequently. I can also use the over-the-beak flip method in the upper register on repeated notes--as in the march, "Americans We"-- but have difficulty in scale passages. John Bruce-Yeh, of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra--told me he used this "flip" method in his recording of the Nielson Clarinet Concerto some years ago, and that he always had trouble with the ta-ka style.

Short answer, I guess is, yes--double tonguing is a valid technique for articulated passages that cannot be done with the single tongue. Although there are many players--pro & amature--that have the natural ability to tongue extremely fast and never have to double in any way, those of us born with the slug-tongue just have to cheat and learn it.

For those of you that are wondering, the "flip" method is done by stroking your tongue over the beak of the mouthpiece, one note articulated as the tongue passes up over the tip and the second note articulated as the tongue comes back down over the tip. It does not damage the mouthpiece or the reed and produces the cleanest articulation of the two double tongue methods.

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 Re: Staccato and Double Tongue
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2010-10-13 15:24

I use the "tee-kee" sound. It helps if you don't expect the "kees" to ever sound exactly like the "tees."

I would never be able to do things like Medelsohn "Midsummer's Night Dream" or his Third Symphony without it. For me double tonguing IS standard technique.

Start practicing in the chalameau which is easiest and work your way higher over time. I have yet to get a sure double tongue in the altissimo, but I ain't given up yet!





..............Paul Aviles



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 Re: Staccato and Double Tongue
Author: johng 2017
Date:   2010-10-13 16:49

Listen to this playing on YouTube. I am pretty sure that he is double tonguing toward the end. Not to mention the circular breathing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_FMBTSUjvU

John Gibson, Founder of JB Linear Music, www.music4woodwinds.com

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 Re: Staccato and Double Tongue
Author: Plonk 
Date:   2010-10-13 18:14

Wow! I nearly died from asphyxiation just listening to that. Incredible!

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 Re: Staccato and Double Tongue
Author: William 
Date:   2010-10-13 18:29

Fun to hear, but too much tension and not very musical--although incredable clarinet technique. Here's the was it is supposed to be:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPRWshWq9E4&feature=related

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 Re: Staccato and Double Tongue
Author: saxlite 
Date:   2010-10-13 18:41

Yehudi Menhuin did it all on one breath!!

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 Re: Staccato and Double Tongue
Author: sonicbang 
Date:   2010-10-13 22:45

'When you play the scales are you talking about quarter notes, eight notes or sixteenth notes?'

I play 16th when practising scales. I found this 'flip' method interesting, but never heard about it. I have a fear from destroying my sound with double tongue. How cruel to be a clarinettist...

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 Re: Staccato and Double Tongue
Author: Ed Palanker 2017
Date:   2010-10-13 23:17

If you can single tongue a complete scale at 140 playing 16th notes you are way, way above average. Not many players can do that for more then just a couple of beats. ESP

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