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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2010-09-27 13:14
I'm in a very good position right now to either have a very good indoor horn and a very good outdoor horn, or to save some money and sell off my indoor horn and just maintain one very good horn that can do it all.
What do you have? Seperate indoor/outdoor horns? Or do you have a one horn does it all deal? I play a good mix of indoor/outdoor performances so I'm more tempted to have a 'do it all' horn.
Alexi
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2010-09-27 13:24
I have an indoor horn, a good weather outdoor horn, a bad weather outdoor horn and a couple others serving as backups for these. :-)
For me it's not about the "performance" of the horn but its value, because the indoor horn is simply irreplaceable. You don't do stock car racing in a '57 Bel Air, do you?
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Ben
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2010-09-27 14:31
I agree with Ben. At least two reliable instruments is always a good idea. I certainly would not risk my indoor horn in the weather, esspecially now that fall is coming. Granted you're currently in Georgia, where seasonal differences are not as great, but the logic still stands.
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2010-09-27 14:35
The R13 Greenline............or Tosca Greenline for that matter does it all. I can't see any reason a Greenline cannot do a wonderful job indoors under the most refined conditions.
...............Paul Aviles
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Author: William
Date: 2010-09-27 15:11
The only "outside" clarinet I have is a metal Noblet that I used to use when I attended UW Alumni Band football game days. Nowdays, for my outside concerts--mainly summer bands & July 4th symphony orchestra concerts--I use my main professional instruments. That includes my Buffet R13 vintage A & Bb set, my Yamaha 681 effer/Fobes ext., my Buffet Prestige 1193-2 low C bass and my Selmer saxophones. I take care not to place them in "harms way" and they all have withstood the mild temperature changes, occassional rain drops and direct sunlight with absolutely no problems. FWIW, the kinds of groups I play with are usually under some kind of shelter or if not, relocate or cancel in avoid any water or wind damage. So, "short answer" to your post....NO.
However, to put a different spin on this thread, I've had more troubles regarding instrument safety during "inside" events. Such as, one New Year's Eve gig where our music stands and mikes were obliterated by a couple of drunken patrons having "too good" a time--and this was at a Catholic church hall, LOL. Fortunately, my saxes, flute and clarinet were sufficiently behind me so as to aviod being harmed. Another incident was during a Birch Creek Music Academy Orchestra Concert where my R13 Bb was knocked off it's stand by a violaist hurrying offstage for the intermission. That fall spared my Kaspar mouthpiece but cracked loose the Ab lever post which was later repaired at her expense. I now use a much more stable Blaymann clarinet stand and always take my Kaspar off during intermissions and keep it in my tux pocket. But for me, its been the inside events that have proven to be more hazardous to my instruments than the outside. Regardless, I always use my top pro clarinets whereever I play.
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Author: Franklin Liao
Date: 2010-09-27 16:32
To be honest, on the subject matter of indoor and outdoor, there's the additional factor of frequency to do things outdoor to consider to a degree. No horn however is impervious totally to harm, so it is ultimately the owner that must safeguard his/her instruments.
I've given quite some serious thoughts toward Acetal/Delrin since it will not tarnish silver and that it is not prone to dimensional instability under the kind of temperature one would realistically encounter outdoor. An e-mail to Chris P however makes me think of just how often I would play anything outside, which personally is almost never.
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2010-09-27 17:44
I play outside 2-3 times a year, and did not have a separate outdoor horn for many years. Last October, I performed outdoors in 45 degree (F) weather, and ran out and bought a sub-$200 beater Vito for the gig. It was not an amplified gig, and I was playing Balkan Rom (Gypsy) folk music, so detailed and perfect "classical" timbre was not an issue.
This summer I used the Vito again on a 95 degree gig, but 5 days later when it was 65 I used my R13. IMO, 65-80 is ok for my Buffet. Outside those "extremes" I'll use the Vito. Of course, 95% of my playing is Balkan Folk, so I'm going for a coarse tone and the difference is less important. It's easier to vary the tone on my R13, but I'm not gonna put it in danger...
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Author: SteveG_CT
Date: 2010-09-27 19:21
I pretty much agree with Katrina about the temperature bounds. I don't have much of a problem playing my good wooden clarinets outdoors in summer concerts where there is good weather. I get nervous however during fall concerts where the temperatures can ofter drop down into the low 50's (deg F) or even lower. On those ocassions I would take my old YCL-20 out of hibernation and use that. I did find it frustrating that my outdoor horn was notably inferior to my primary one so I recently bought a very nice metal clarinet from Dave Spiegelthal and that one plays just as well as my best wood clarinet.
As for having separate horns versus a single do-it-all horn I think it you can probably find a hard rubber or metal horn that will play well enough to be a primary instrument and you won't have to worry about it cracking due to adverse weather conditions.
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2010-09-27 20:13
tictactux wrote:
> ...a good Resotone Vito is hard to beat.
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Actually, it's quite easy to beat. the good thing is that it takes the beating. ![[tongue]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie6.gif)
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: clarinetcase
Date: 2010-09-27 21:44
I consider temperature to be the most important factor. In very cold places in the winter or places sans air conditioning when its hot and humid, I use my Lyriques, and if the weather is damp or "rainy". I play a lot of outdoor concerts in the summer.
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Author: 2cekce ★2017
Date: 2010-09-28 01:22
I have two separate instruments, my Vito resotone white for my marching or outdoor band performances and my Amati Pro 6 for my jazz and concert indoor performances, If I decide to use my amati outside I do gauge the weather conditions for obvious reasons, cracked wood is expensive to repair or replace, and not many techs here in atlanta know much about the full boehm clarinets from what I hear.
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Author: pplateau
Date: 2010-09-28 01:28
Yammy 250 with Muncy synthetic barrel for outside work; wood for inside. No worries then for me.
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2010-09-29 06:26
a wood Jerome Thibouville-Lamy for inside, a plastic Conn Henkin for outside.
Tony F.
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Author: crsbryan
Date: 2010-09-30 03:27
When my students, whether flute, clarinet, saxophone, upgrade their instruments from a student to a better model, I always recommend they keep the student instrument for marching band use. It also never hurts to have a backup horn for those unexpected repairs to the main axe.
Dress can be an indicator:
black tie = nice instrument
suit = nice instrument
flip flops = beater
parka = beater
shako and plume = beater
raincoat = beater
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Author: BobD
Date: 2010-09-30 12:00
I still have several of each but don't play outdoors anymore. As Ben says, a good Vito (older model) is hard to beat. Got rid of the Outdoor Plumbing years ago.
Bob Draznik
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2010-09-30 13:17
>> Dress can be an indicator:
>> black tie = nice instrument
>> suit = nice instrument
>> flip flops = beater
>> parka = beater
>> shako and plume = beater
>> raincoat = beater
...and sometimes it can't. I almost always use my main clarinets and don't remember the last time I used something else in the last few years. I play outside sometimes, never in the rain (though I might if the area was completely covered, just never happened yet). Just had several concerts in a bus station (part of a street festival). I always wear sneakers unless someone in charge specifically asks for something else and I can't convince them otherwise. They are just too comfortable. Some people have the distorted psychological problem of thinking certain clothes indicate anything about the performace itself (unless the clothes are relevant to the artistic part of the concert itself, like in a play).
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2010-09-30 17:55
I don't have indoor/outdoor instruments but, for Bb anyway, I have my "main" clarinet (1960's) R13, a backup (1980s Yamaha CS, that many might consider at least as good as my R13) and a foul-weather horn (Vito V40 with Valentino pads). Each clarinet has its own mouthpiece.
Normally, I use the R13 for relatively "safe" indoor venues (concert halls), I use the Yamaha for good-weather outdoor gigs and "less-than-safe" indoor venues (e.g., cramped musical pits). I use the V40 for outdoor gigs if it's cold or looks like rain.
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: Pete
Date: 2010-10-03 20:01
"Dress can be an indicator:
black tie = nice instrument
suit = nice instrument
flip flops = beater
parka = beater
shako and plume = beater
raincoat = beater"
That is priceless. Also, out door instruments are the perfect place for synthetic pads. Get rained on, let them dry off and oil the keys. Spill a soda on the horn, wash the pads and tone holes.
Emerson Musical Instrument Repair
North East Wisconsin Band Instrument Co.
ToneLure Tone Enhancement
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