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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2010-08-27 20:07
Interesting that he says that he has a setup that focus his sound and therefore he doesn't have to bite. Uhhhh you don't need to bite at all. I mean a little lip pressure in the high register is normal but you don't have to bite.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2010-08-27 20:11
Iceland clarinet wrote:
> Interesting that he says that he has a setup that focus his
> sound and therefore he doesn't have to bite. Uhhhh you don't
> need to bite at all. I mean a little lip pressure in the high
> register is normal but you don't have to bite.
Funny you should be telling Eddie what he should be doing ...
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Author: William
Date: 2010-08-27 22:12
I was not that impressed with his demo nor with the depth of expertise regarding Morrie's work. He got on thing right, "just noodling".
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2010-08-28 00:31
"I'm using a setup that is--kinda focuses the sound...you don't have to bite [to focus the sound]"
There is no implication that Eddie bites on this or on another setup. The statement is making clear to those watching that you don't have to bite to have a focused sound.
"...where you're giving the clarinet it's vibration, it's natural vibration"
Obviously there's the implication that Morrie's setup allows Eddie this freedom. I'm pretty certain that although Eddie may play these instruments he can accomplish this on other horns as well.
Now I don't bite to have a focused sound either...I play double lip.
It was easy to misunderstand Iceland.
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2010-08-28 02:19
YouTube will give extra and free advertising. And having sponsored players is one thing. But everyone has a bio posted somewhere. Being able to see his products in action, and just as important, HEAR them, should work out well.A couple links on their webpage to their channel will work well.
On a related note, I wonder just how much YouTube helped Tom Ridenour and his products. I know you can read tons of stuff about the ATG system, but being able to see it work in action makes s much bigger impact.
YouTube is a smart decision. And I'm sure it'll pay off. Plus there's nothing like some FREE advertising.
Alexi
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2010-08-28 03:22
"Interesting that he says that he has a setup that focus his sound and therefore he doesn't have to bite. Uhhhh you don't need to bite at all. I mean a little lip pressure in the high register is normal but you don't have to bite."
So you agree!! Why not just say, "I totally agree"??
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Author: Franklin Liao
Date: 2010-08-28 03:40
To be honest, I need some advice about how to avoid clamping down (since I am double lipping) when playing in altissimo. I get this insatiable urge to hunker down while firming up the lips so that I can get the notes more reliably, but even I know that I am not supposed to bite/squeeze on the reed. It is a bit frustrating, as the resistance rises rapidly and by the time when it gets to G6, it's almost as if it's a whimper or a squeak that actually made it out of the acoustic labyrinth half-dead.
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2010-08-28 04:32
Double lip doesn't work for everyone.
My first point of advice would be to use a softer reed. Also, experiment with taking more or less mouthpiece. 　Also, experiment with the angle that you hold the instrument.
You don't need a hard reed to play high notes, nor do you need to play single lip to play high notes. Nigh notes have a lot to do with the speed of the air and "voicing" by changing the shape of the tongue.
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Author: Franklin Liao
Date: 2010-08-28 05:41
Single lipping is something that I discourage myself from doing since I mentally want to use the incisors to serve as a fulcrum, and not using my muscles for support, which will damage the mouthpiece and not really right for the embouchure... and I use strength 2 1/2 actually, now that you mention it.
(sorry for derailing the conversation)
Morrie is quite savvy and I do think he knows his stuff. I am very satisfied with the outcome of that minor overhaul done on my CSG using the valentino pads. In my opinion this thing is better than the Lucien Deluxe stock and now the thing plays like a million bucks. He never made any mentioning of Eddie showing up to his workshop to me though... perhaps for the better since I'd want his autograph on my horn if I ever see him! Him going online is pretty much a must as word-of-mouth exposure for workshops such as his is vital, especially when the market that he targets is very much a niche.
Product endorsement is a powerful thing that speaks volume, if one is to look at it calmly. A music director will recognize major musicians and in turn the directors will influence students or other players in their purchasing decision. Players will influence students since they are the ones that tutor typically. It's all part to brand management as to achieve higher market penetration.
Although... nowadays, the likelihood of hero worship with clarinet players is not so likely anymore. Gone were they days when giants such as Benny Goodman would be household names. Something to think about would be to secure the amateur enthusiasts that would still give the instrument a damn in this market (which viral video contents address), or to somehow appeal to the rapidly growing market in China where an appetite for quality musical instruments is growing. That of course is one thing you will not reach with youtube videos due to language barrier and of course, governmental censorship there... (I am thinking too much into this)
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2010-08-28 07:22
>> I am very satisfied with the outcome of that minor overhaul done on my CSG using the valentino pads. In my opinion this thing is better than the Lucien Deluxe stock and now the thing plays like a million bucks. <<
That is very common with any good repad regardless of pad type. It was most likely leaking before, maybe not enough to make the clarinet unplayable but slight leaks will just make it more resistant and take more effort.
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Author: Franklin Liao
Date: 2010-08-28 07:48
Tell me about it... the pads were in horrid shape apparently. I had to be educated by Morrie about the visual clues from pads starting to burr and colors changed. (I didn't do this! I played for 2 weeks out of the 1 month I had it) Even for a 1 year old B-stock clarinet, this was rather surprising to encounter. The toneholes had to be re-detailed during the overhaul actually. What riled me up was the fact the the horn was bone dry and Morrie had to really let it soak up some oil to stabilize the wood.
I had to be enlightened about the obvious, being that the top joint pads will go faster than the lower joints, and that frequent water buildup isn't a good sign at all. Better later than never in knowing such things I suppose.
The refitting and regulation of keys made fingering a bit easier, but it's something that didn't strike me right away. It's now 4 days since I've gotten it back and that became evident after the 2nd day spent playing it.
It was interesting actually. I found out that the horn's first owner purchased it from Indiana in winter of 2009 and took it to Mexico. God knows what happened during those months... I only found this out after having gotten it. Damn me and my susceptibility to bargain sale price.
I have to admit though, I loved the thing even before the overhaul... and now I can only be pried off of it from my cold, dead hands. It makes me glad that I didn't sell it to another soul when it was not in its best of shape for various reasons.
I supposed what I must possess in skills would be the ability to do reseat and replace pads, assess playing condition, oil and clean the wood, regulate the instrument, assess the condition of the wood. As for hairline repairs, detailing, pinning and so forth I should leave to the professionals. Time to watch DIY youtube videos and then try to grab a horn somewhere to experiment...
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2010-08-28 08:20
To clarify things then my understanding of the video and what Eddie said is simply like this "This setup allows me the freedom NOT to bite" If I'm totally misunderstanding things here then it would be interesting to hear what he actually was talking about when pointing out this biting issue.
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Author: Tobin
Date: 2010-08-28 12:57
That's what I did above. Eddie does NOT say "This setup allows me the freedom NOT to bite".
You are "totally misunderstanding things here". He is saying that one [anyone] doesn't have to bite to have a focused sound.
James
Gnothi Seauton
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Author: William
Date: 2010-08-28 14:49
As for Morries stuff, I would rather see (& hear) a before and after demo of an average clarinetist--like most of us are--to judge for myself if his products really do make that much of a difference. I would even accept hearing Ricardo do such a demo--first without the Morrie stuff and then with--and go from there. Apparently, Eddie's "noodling" demo did little more than inspire a debate on his bite--or lack thereof.........
And I am certain that, if Eddie had followed a more carefully scripted agenda, he could have been much more convincing--he certainly has the talent. However, I think he is just as good with or without Morrie.........
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Author: Old Geezer
Date: 2010-08-29 16:26
He was just noodling guys.... The biting comment was for students.
He's an outstanding clarinetist in any genre...he's almost as good as Emma Johnson.
Eddie's a great musican and probably sincere...but these guys; Eddie, Julian,
Ricardo, etc. lose more than a little dignity in these commerical bits or whatever thay are. I suppose they get offers thay can't refuse?
Clarinet Redux
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2010-08-29 16:48
There would be dignity lost if the products weren't really good.
It's not like they are endorsing CSO's.....
And they are playing the instruments. So it's not like a recent retired principal playing a buffet in a leblanc recital......
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
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Author: Connor
Date: 2010-08-29 17:04
I interpret the biting comment as "not having to bite excessively".
MM. Clarinet Performance University of Texas at Austin (2012).
BM. Clarinet Performance University of Northern Colorado (2010).
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2010-08-30 16:02
My favorite quote was,
"Between the two of us, there's two nobody's."
Which is true for Morrie, since he is just a disembodied voice.
Is this true ?!!? Can anyone who's been to his shop confirm that he is like the Great and Powerful Oz?
This is much more exciting that the whole "biting thing, " clearly just a reference to "digging in" to play out.
................Paul Aviles
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Author: William
Date: 2010-08-30 16:48
Still, there was NOTHING in Eddie's noodling excercise to excite me to rush out and buy any of Morries products. He could have done what he did playing a Bundy Resonite. I want to hear & see a demo that clearly shows the positive difference in tone quality, intonation or musical expression that a product makes before I'll be a believer. Just because somebody--even an Eddie Daniels--says so doesn't "cut it' for me (anymore--now that I'm older and wiser :>)
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Author: Franklin Liao
Date: 2010-08-30 16:58
I've been to Morrie's shop. Rather than saying that he's disembodied like the wizard of Oz, it is more accurate to describe him as the old guild master type, pouring forth his viewpoint on clarinet without much reservation.
I don't know if the man can ever disappear at all while working on whichever horn that's on his desk. He has such a towering presence and those hands of Midas simply do not fade into thin air as Morrie makes his brand of music.
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