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Author: andrewsong
Date: 2010-07-15 22:15
What are your opinions on this? It would just sound muddled wouldn't it? This might actually happen to me...
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Author: andrewsong
Date: 2010-07-15 22:44
Our music director says that all will be playing at once. The clarinet section is great, no doubt. I am just worried because most pieces were written for only one or two clarinets per part. The large number may affect certain exposed passages and the sound itself. For example, the flourishes in Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra were definitely written in mind with one clarinet playing each part.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-07-15 23:12
A lot of large youth orchestras in the UK also tend to have the woodwind players all doubled (or tripled) up, but usually any solos are played by one player - the tutti passages being played by everyone.
I'm not a fan of woodwind players being treated like string players with several players to one part - definitely loses the clarity as no two (or three) players will do exactly the same thing.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2010-07-16 01:11
It's called woodwind doubling. Many American orchestra's used to double the 1st and 2nd clarinet parts all the time. It was very common in the 50s-80s in order to use a four player section. When we doubled, the person doubling does not play the solo passages, only the Tutti ones and anything the conductor might request having two play on that section. I once did Tch 5th with four clarinets playing the opening phrase. When we used to work with the famed Leopold Stokowski back in the 60s his parts often marked in doubling some of the string parts in the "doublers" parts so sometimes I would be doubling the second violins or viola's. He was famous for re orchestrating other composers music.
I would assume the conductor will double some parts and rotate the players as well. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2010-07-16 02:19
How many clarinetists are used in Mahler's Sym of 1000. Haven't ever played that?
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Author: LarryBocaner ★2017
Date: 2010-07-16 03:04
Mahler 8th calls for 3 Bb clarinets, at least 2 Eb clarinets (but doubled -- only one part) and bass clarinet. When I've performed it we never doubled the Eb part.
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2010-07-16 05:44
Elektra calls for 8 clarinets! (2 B-flat, 2 A, 1 E-flat, 2 basset horns, 1 bass). Does anybody know of an orchestral piece that uses more than 8?
Doubling woodwinds was often done during the 19th century too, when the occasion called for a larger orchestra. It helped to maintain the correct balance between woodwinds and strings. But the doublers only played in the tutti sections, and the sections marked solo were played by single players.
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2010-07-16 12:09
In amateur and student orchestras, sometimes the viola section is so weak that the director will ask a clarinet player to double the violas (inconspicuously). My high school orchestra conductor resorted to that strategy now and then during a time when his first viola player was the only one in the section who'd taken private lessons. She played competently but one violist can't hold a section up against eight or ten first violins and eight or ten seconds.
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Author: Dileep Gangolli
Date: 2010-07-17 11:12
The conductor is not an idiot. He is a very dedicated music educator and you will have a fine section. I know because I have coached many of the clarinets in the section and some are my students.
The purpose of MYA is to give the kids a high quality musical experience not to be a professional orchestra.
You will learn the repertoire in a nurturing surrounding and have a great time doing it.
If you choose to pursue the clarinet as a professional, you will have had a great musical education by participating in MYA.
The track record of the program in just over ten years includes professionals that play in Pittsburgh, LA Phil, and NY Phil. Some in principal chairs.
Come prepared and be a sponge. You will learn a lot that way.
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2010-07-17 14:39
Slow mvt bartok - hopefully only one player will have the solo. And when the 2nd part plays with the 1st part in the soft exposed passages, again only one player per part.
Cause if not, that dedicated teacher is plain wrong.....
:)
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Author: mrn
Date: 2010-07-17 15:10
Dileep wrote:
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The purpose of MYA is to give the kids a high quality musical experience not to be a professional orchestra.
You will learn the repertoire in a nurturing surrounding and have a great time doing it.
I concur. I was in a similar program in Houston as a young student, and it was a great experience. We doubled woodwind parts, too.
I'm not sure what my fellow woodwind sectionmates are up to these days, but one of our violinists is now a professor at Eastman. Obviously he wasn't scarred for life. :-)
I actually think that in some ways, doubling parts can be a beneficial educational experience, because it teaches you how to follow others and to pay attention to tuning.
And in some pieces being able to play a doubled (or even tripled or quadrupled) part is essential--the 1st mvt. clarinet part to Ingolf Dahl's Sinfonietta (a concert band piece) comes to mind.
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Author: andrewsong
Date: 2010-07-17 16:05
Hello Mr. Gangolli. I was actually planning on participating in your clarinet workshop at MYA, but something came up unfortunately. Are you planning on doing it next year as well? And I hope you don't get the wrong impression of me; I just wanted to see if this was a common thing.
I think that it will be a positive and exhilirating experience no doubt. Dr. Deniis most likely knows what to do in these cases. I'm very excited to be part of the orchestra; this will be my first year at MYA!!!
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Author: grifffinity
Date: 2010-07-17 21:41
Some Youth Orchestras double tutti parts. Philly Youth did back in the mid 90's, but I don't know if that is still the practice today. New York Youth does not - it rotates the 3 or 4 clarinetists on the roster, although the Principle usually plays the two main works with another clarinetist playing principle on the commissioned work - a concerto.
Some community orchestra's also do this, although I personally prefer two to a part when indicated - especially since most community orchestras don't have enough string players to warrant doubled winds.
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Author: Loliver
Date: 2010-07-28 12:38
My orchestra had 6 at one point - Clarinet I and II were both doubled, and they roped two others in, one for Eb and one for Bass. It can work, but problems do arise when Solos are required, as there were plenty of arguments!
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