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Author: 2cekce ★2017
Date: 2010-07-14 18:02
I'm new to this forum, a clarinetist for a number of years now and have dibbled and dabbled on mouthpiece and reed issues. finally found a reed I like which is mitchell luries premium using a b45 mp. I decided to try a new brand of reed since mlp are hard to find here in atlanta so went to vandorens, with a m30 mp. whats the difference in m13 and m30 and does mitchell luries still exists as I like those better.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2010-07-14 18:30
Yes, Mitchell Luries still exist. And people who like them still exist as well. :-)
With today's mail order business and the internet, it shouldn't be a problem to find ML reeds (tried the regular ones?).
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Ben
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2010-07-14 20:06
Mitchell Luries are made by the Rico company. They are a "middle" of the road reed. That is not the worst reed they make but by no way their best professonal type reed. They make about five other cuts in the Grand Concert name. They are all much better then the ML in my opinion, but then again so are Vandorens too. It's a matter of finding the brand and cut you like the best. Generally speaking the m13 is more closed then is the M30. The M30 would be closer to your B45 but they are all somewhat different because the tip opening is only one consideration in the differences between mouthpieces. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: 2cekce ★2017
Date: 2010-07-14 20:45
thx and yes i tried the regular ones but didnt like them as much as the premiums
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Author: Plonk
Date: 2010-07-16 09:19
Hello
I'm using b45 with ML premiums too, at the mo, (but am feeling very experimental).
Since you're using the same MPC as me, just wondered what strength ML's you use? I got a box of no.4 mail order but they are on the soft side - I would use no.3 Vandoren. How about you?
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2010-07-16 16:31
I was the person that designed the premiums. A great musician named Herman Hanson designed the regular Mitchell Lurie reeds. When Herman retired I was hired to take his place. Well over 100 people auditioned.
Mitchell died about 1 1/2 year ago and the reeds are still being made. Mitchell's reeds were double cut, cut twice for better playing results. His reeds were generally played with more consistency and choice cane, choosen mainly by me and the cane came from France.
Mitchell was a really wonderful man and we enjoyed going out to lunch and dinner ever few months.
I had the machines set to perfection, so a monkey could pretty much adjust these complicated machines.
I haven't played his reeds since leaving Rico, but before he passed on he felt the reeds were still very good, but the cane was coming in from Argentina; due to a lack of quality French cane. Trust me, he was pretty upset about this change.
The good French cane is now being used for the Grand Concert line.
The Lurie reeds were designed for the more advanced students, although some pros play on them because of the lighter feel.
Mitchell had 3 kids and I'm not sure if the kids are getting royalties.
When I left Rico they were selling about 1 1/2 million reeds a year, maybe more.
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
Post Edited (2010-07-16 16:36)
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Author: Dileep Gangolli
Date: 2010-07-17 11:07
$16/box, 10 reeds in a box = approx $1.6/per reed.
1.5 M X $1.6 = $2.4 million
I hope the kids (or grandchildren) are getting a piece of the action. Even 10% royalties would be a tidy sum for being born to the right person.
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Author: Bob Bernardo
Date: 2010-07-18 02:25
I wish I was part of the royalty names on his list... I did all of the work!
I'm not positive, but I think he got a nickel a reed.
Herman Hanson designed the plastic cover reed and he got a nickel a reed. He passed away about 10 years ago. I know he tried to have the royalties trasnfered to his only grand kid, I'm not sure if that ever went through. Herman was with Rico for over 40 years. It was an honor to replace him upon his retirement in 1983.
Designer of - Vintage 1940 Cicero Mouthpieces and the La Vecchia mouthpieces
Yamaha Artist 2015
Post Edited (2010-07-18 02:26)
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Author: jasperbay
Date: 2010-07-18 03:07
Bob; Do I understand you correctly that Mr. Hansen designed the "Plasti-cover" reed, those black plastic covered reeds (in addition to the Mitchell Lurie line of reeds). I ask because I kind of like the black plastic covered cane reeds, especially for those clarinets I have lying around that I can just pick up and play for a few minutes. No 'warmup' or wetting required, and the price is fairly reasonable. I don't play at the 'symphony' level, so haven't noticed any shortcomings over regular cane reeds, except that you can't sand or scrape them.
I've been experimenting with making my own home-brewed plastic-covered reed, using CA glue, water based urethane, laquer, ABS cement, etc. The CA glue shows the most promise so far, with the water based urethane a possible, also. Is it an industrial secret what plastic Rico uses?
Clark G. Sherwood
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Author: Dileep Gangolli
Date: 2010-07-18 16:49
$00.05 x 1.5 million = $75K
Still better than a kick in the pants.
But ML should have perhaps hired David Falk to negotiate the contract.
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Author: 2cekce ★2017
Date: 2010-07-18 18:48
I use no. 4s with my m30 mpc. dont use the b45 now after finding a better fit with the m30 as its not as open.
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Author: Bassie
Date: 2010-07-25 18:06
I think ML are probably about the best 'bargain' (= 'student') reed. There are better, and there are worse, but there ain't much better for the price.
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>> Nobody plays Vandorens anymore, they're too popular.
Thanks, David, that made me laugh! :D
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