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Author: cmarkey
Date: 2010-07-07 21:56
Does anyone have any recommendations for learning this part? Also, is the last movement available anywhere in B-flat, or has it only been published in C?
Thank you!
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-07-07 22:28
The last movement is officially published in C, but there's nothing to stop you transposing it for Bb.
Learn this part one movement at a time, and keep going over the tricky bits. With any luck you will only be playing from the 3rd clarinet part instead of juggling both 3rd and 4th clarinet parts like I had to do when I played it recently which is a right pain.
BOTH 3rd and 4th parts are very important to the whole symphony (they both have important exposed solos in them) and anyone booking players ought to book the right amount of players to cover all the parts instead of one player trying to cover both 3rd and 4th as it just won't do.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2010-07-07 23:58
The 3rd part is bass, Eb, Bb,A and C. You need to learn to transpose to C, it's a must in this business. Usually the 3rd clarinet switches parts with the Eb player in the slow mov't. so they play the top line instead of you. It's possible to get away with playing your part, actually the other part, on a Bb clarinet transposing it to Eb, but it's best to be able to play it on an Eb clarinet if you have one and can play it reasonably in tune. Just practice like you would anything else, one or two pages at a time. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2010-07-08 01:57
No Bb in the third clarinet part, Ed, unless one plays the C or Eb parts on Bb. No need to do C transpositions if you own a C. 
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2010-07-08 02:06
With four instruments on the stand (bass, A, C, and Eb, or "just" three if you play the C parts on A), make sure to keep the standby clarinets warmed up, and their reeds wet (unless you're using synthetic reeds).
Just played this work (yes, the 3rd book) a month ago, what a magical piece of music it is! I started off transposing the third movement (playing it on Bb clarinet) but got lazy and purchased a cheap C clarinet (see my earlier post on "El-Cheapo C Clarinet"), and glad I did -- the tone quality of the instrument specified by the composer, I thought, was more appropriate than the sound of a transposed lower-pitch clarinet would have been --- especially in the sections where the C is in octaves or fifths with the Eb clarinet (the 4th book).
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2010-07-08 03:08
I played that same part 20+ years ago...The only Mahler I've ever performed. I used Bb, A, and Bb Bass. I read the fourth part's Eb solo on Bb and transposed the C parts onto Bb. The only other thing I remember about it is how difficult it was for me to play the opening concert A measures softly and in tune! My school had a nice bass for me to use, but it wasn't as good as the one that disappeared from the bass clarinet locker the year before! :O
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2010-07-08 04:22
The 3rd switching with the 4th for the solos in the third movement is a horrid scam perpetuated as "tradition" by conniving 4th/Eb players to finagle the best part in the whole symphony away from the player it was written for. Defend that part with your life!
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2010-07-08 10:51
I did the 3rd part a few years ago and the 1st part recently. It's a great symphony, where all parts are quite enjoyable!
We did the 3rd movement a little differently to most. I played the E-flat solos, and the 4th player kept to his part as written (it was the 3rd player's idea, too).
The fourth movement simply has to be learnt. If you can't transpose or you're not willing to learn, you're playing the wrong symphony.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-07-08 11:39
Although there's no harm in playing it on a C clarinet if you have access to one.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Morrigan
Date: 2010-07-08 13:30
Oh yeah forgot about that possibility. I suppose you could play it on a C...
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2010-07-08 18:21
Jack, of course you're correct about no Bb part but a C part instead. Since I never owned a C clarinet I always transpose that mov't on my Bb so as far as I'm concerned, it's a Bb clarinet part. Actually, none of us in the BSO own a C clarinet, we just transpose as all students interested in becoming a symphony player really needs to learn to do well.
Allex, As far as switching the Eb parts in the slow mov't, I used to always play my own part, which of course becomes the top voice in the duet, not a solo. After many years of doing it that way I suggested to the Eb player that we switch simply because every time we do it I need to find a good Eb reed and the fact that I don't play Eb on a regular basis it just made sense for me not to have to worry about doing that after so many years of playing it. It's no big deal for me anymore, I still get doubling pay when ever I play Eb in the BSO no matter what part I'm playing. ESP
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Author: Merlin_Williams
Date: 2010-07-09 03:11
I never had a problem with keeping the Eb clarinet parts as is. The fourth part has the cool solo parts; the third player is on top in the duo sections.
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