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 Why ask???
Author: JJAlbrecht 
Date:   2010-07-07 17:29

I have noted a number of questions posed by members recently who seek the advice of others, on what are ostensibly matters of great concern to the posters. The members want to tap the knowledge base of the group here, or at least that's what they claim.

So why is it that they ask for advice and then choose to ignore it? Why bother asking?

Jeff

“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010

"A drummer is a musician's best friend."


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 Re: Why ask???
Author: David Spiegelthal 2017
Date:   2010-07-07 17:46

Part of the answer may be that with the wide variety of opinions/advice one might receive here in response to a question, inevitably someone's advice will be ignored if someone else's opposite (or just 'sufficiently different') recommendation is taken.

Ultimately we all make our own decisions, based on the knowledge we have acquired through various means. Sometimes in spite of that knowledge!

Some people are just stubborn. I can think of more than one occasion where I received perfectly good advice from people who really knew what they were talking about, and I chose to ignore them and do my own thing, just.......because.

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 Re: Why ask???
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2010-07-07 17:58

One of the reasons for the demise of the Alto clarinet - people just wouldn't listen. [tongue]

Seriously, sometimes you just seek positive or negative reinforcement of an opinion that already has started materializing itself. You listen to pro and contra arguments, and you weigh them and ponder over them - and indeed sometimes you choose to decide differently. Else everyone would be honking into R13s on Vandoren reeds.

--
Ben

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 Re: Why ask???
Author: JJAlbrecht 
Date:   2010-07-07 18:15

>>>Else everyone would be honking into R13s on Vandoren reeds.

Perish the thought! I'm loving my Symphonie with the Rico Reserves.  :)

Jeff

“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010

"A drummer is a musician's best friend."


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 Re: Why ask???
Author: Franklin Liao 
Date:   2010-07-07 18:18

(Rocking on a CSG with Forestone)

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 Re: Why ask???
Author: David Spiegelthal 2017
Date:   2010-07-07 19:59

(Don't even ask about my bizarre collection of instruments, mouthpieces and reeds)

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 Re: Why ask???
Author: jasperbay 
Date:   2010-07-08 00:10



I've noticed the same thing in virtually any field of endeavor: You ask 'the World's Greatest Expert' his or her advice, but human nature being what it is, you'll probably do what you were going to do anyway. Only if you fail miserably, are you then slightly tempted to follow somebody's sage advice.

Also, do you realize how often 'the World's Greatest Experts' ( on topics like economics, investing, climatology, alto clarinets,etc.) are full of hooey? [grin]

Honking away on a Rico Plasticover in an B40 on a laquered brass & silver "Cleveland".

Clark G. Sherwood

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 Re: Why ask???
Author: Ed Palanker 
Date:   2010-07-08 01:28

JJ, I think that's a good question, I often wonder about that myself. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com

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 Re: Why ask???
Author: skygardener 
Date:   2010-07-09 00:28

I think some have an opinion on a matter and are asking in the light of not knowing and hoping to get answers that support their opinion(s).
This sometimes comes through in posts like "I have heard..." or "What do you all think about...?"

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 Re: Why ask???
Author: OmarHo 
Date:   2010-07-09 03:17

This forum would have 2-5 members if all posts were filtered in the way you described.

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 Re: Why ask???
Author: clarnibass 
Date:   2010-07-09 10:17

It makes sense to ask since you might find ideas you haven't thought of. If you completely don't like those ideas, it could make sense to ignore them. Usually it's impossible to know in advance if you wouldn't like any of the ideas you get. This definitely shouldn't prevent anyone from asking.

Did this or any other answer convince you? If not and you will ignore them and keep your opinion, why bother ask?  :)

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 Re: Why ask???
Author: Morrigan 
Date:   2010-07-09 10:31

As musicians, we receive feedback from ourselves or from others. Feedback from ourselves includes what we hear while we play as well as listening back to recordings. Feedback from others can be far more frank, and can become a 'truth is like staring at the sun' situation. At the end of the day, a musician who receives a lot of feedback or advice is burdened with it, and has to make a decision of what to take on and what to leave. I think it is an important skill. When does the student decide that the technique given by their teacher doesn't work for them, and thus decides not to use it? This could be the very reason students don't sound exactly like their teacher. We all do it whether we realise it or not, I think.

Therefore, chose to take on what I've said here or leave it! :)

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 Re: Why ask???
Author: sdr 
Date:   2010-07-09 16:24

Gee, in my office this happens ALL THE TIME.

-sdr
-----------------------
Steven D. Rauch, MD
Professor of Otology & Laryngology
Harvard Medical School
Massachusetts Eye & Ear Infirmary
Boston, MA

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 Re: Why ask???
Author: Hank Lehrer 2017
Date:   2010-07-09 17:30

SDR,

Too funny. But you have a situation where sometimes the advice given is not the advice really sought (get those cataracts taken care of, stop picking in your ears, that deviated septum really needs to repaired, ...).

But my guess after giving thousands of HS and college students advice over the years is the person really has made up his or her mind and is just looking for validation.

HRL

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 Re: Why ask???
Author: gigaday 
Date:   2010-07-10 06:55

I recently asked if anyone had any suggestions on how to improve the sound of a synthetic reed that I was working on. Probably a stupid question, but ... you never know. Ed Palanker suggested that I should throw it away, which was good advice from a time saving point of view. But I was reluctant to give up on it and pressed on. After some further effort I arrived at a point where I have the reed working entirely to my satisfaction. I reported this and mentioned that Ed's diagram of the parts of a reed on his web site had been an inspiration.

My point is that, when we ask a question we may receive many and various suggestions, contradictory even or perhaps tongue in cheek. Obviously we can't follow them all.

But, any suggestion may throw up a new line of thought and be the seed that leads us to our own personal solution.

That's why I ask.

Tony

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 Re: Why ask???
Author: Lelia Loban 2017
Date:   2010-07-10 12:29

Sometimes it looks as if a fellow musician, teacher or parent may have been nagging or arguing with the message-poster behind the scenes. The message-poster may pose the question here in the hope of getting answers that will confirm his or her own opinion. Then he or she can go back and try to end the argument with, "See, I told you so!" But if the answers agree with the other guy, then the message-poster may get even more defensively stubborn and refuse to change his or her mind. Though it's not necessarily a mature response, it may not always be wrong -- especially when we're discussing extremely subjective things such as what reed strength is "best."

>>But, any suggestion may throw up a new line of thought and be the seed that leads us to our own personal solution.
>>
That's why I ask.
>>

I think it's a good reason to ask and a good reason to read the bulleting board, too. Other people's messages and the answers to them often answer questions I didn't even know I should ask.

Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
To hear the audio, click on the "Scorch Plug-In" box above the score.

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 Re: Why ask???
Author: Tony F 
Date:   2010-07-13 16:17

While most of the advice offered on this forum is sound and is honestly offered, I have also seen advice which I know from my own experience is completely wrong. Remember, free advice is sometimes worth exactly what you paid for it. Some advice is offered based on hard-won experience and knowledge, but some merely reflects the personal prejudices or unfounded opinions of the offerer. The trick is to know which is which.

Tony F.

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 Re: Why ask???
Author: David Spiegelthal 2017
Date:   2010-07-13 17:44

"The trick is to know which is which."


And how is that different from life itself, Tony?

[toast]



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 Re: Why ask???
Author: superson 
Date:   2010-07-15 19:09

I don't really do it here because often I'm clueless over clarinet matters but sometimes I'll ask a question elsewhere with a plan or an answer already in my head and probably I'll ignore any advice which contradicts my plan or answer. I'll ignore the advice because I either just asked for confirmation or because it'd inconvenience me to think another way if that makes sense.

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