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 Fingering revisited
Author: jerry 
Date:   2000-12-19 22:52

Picked up a used clarinet study guide, "Klose-Lazarus Method for Clarinet" by Harvey S. Whistler. There is no seperate finger chart - only the small fingering notation at the beginning of a *new* note. All is well, with the black dots for tone holes and an "x" for the thumb, when this notation shows the fingering for six fingers, i.e., open G to low G. However, anything beyond this makes reference to a *number*, i.e., for low E it shows an "x" + six tone holes darkened + "1 or 14". Can you point me to something that relates these fingerings by number?

Still groping.
~ jerry

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 RE: Fingering revisited
Author: Todd H. 
Date:   2000-12-19 23:49

The fingering charts in the Rubank beginner and intermediate methods, as well as the chart in H. Klose's method are easy to find at many local music stores as well as at sites if retailers on the net. The "14" that you see is not found on any of the charts that I've ever used, and could be just poorly printed; the number "1" when referring to a low E would best correspond to the system used in the Klose method book. Also checkhttp://www.sneezy.org/clarinet/Study/FingeringCharts/

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 RE: Fingering revisited
Author: William 
Date:   2000-12-20 01:48

If the fingering charts are too complicated for you, remember, there is always trombone. (sorry, couldn't resist an attempt at a little humour here) Good luck.

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 RE: Fingering revisited
Author: jerry 
Date:   2000-12-20 01:58

Furthermore........................

.............low F is 6 fingers + "x" (thumb) + "2 or 16", and A on the staff is "9 key", and soforth and so on. I'll check at the music store this Sat. ..........guess I could use my "graphic" fingering chart and go through one-by-one and translate the keys to numbers.

Okay. Thanks.

~ jerry

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 RE: Fingering revisited
Author: jerry 
Date:   2000-12-20 02:06

"If the fingering charts are too complicated for you, remember, there is always trombone. (sorry, couldn't resist an attempt at a
little humour here) Good luck."

I can read the "graphic" chart but I can't find a chart that assigns "numbers" to the keys and that's the way Klose anotates his fingering for whatever note he is teaching.

Besides, my son played trombone in HS band (he was 6'-4" and 230# - shoulda been a fullback but damaged his knee in a MC accident). Anyway, I could never figure out how you know where to staop that slide - do you put file marks on it so you know where to stop for a particular note. But then you would have to stop after each note, look at the slide, adjust, then play the next note - that takes skill!

~ thanks, jerry.

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 Trombone Tangent
Author: Pam 
Date:   2000-12-20 18:15

Jerry, I played trombone as well in high school and there are seven positions on the slide that are pretty easy to memorize with flats or sharps being about halfway between. The rest is all lips with the lower notes being a real loose embouchure and the high notes tightening up.

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 RE: Trombone Tangent
Author: Dee 
Date:   2000-12-20 18:34

The numbers refer to the various levers. Unfortunately there is *no* standard for numbering the levers. Each method book uses its own. If you can find one from any version of the Klose book, that will probably correspond to the numbers in yours. Come to think of it, I scanned in the chart from an old, turn of the century Klose. Remind me and I can email it to you. I'm not on my home computer right now so can't do it at just this particular moment.

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 RE: Fingering revisited
Author: Dee 
Date:   2000-12-21 00:49

Well I checked my files. I had scanned in the Albert but not the Boehm. Right now that book is packed away in a box somewhere and I don't know which one it is. Sorry.

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 RE: Fingering revisited
Author: jerry 
Date:   2000-12-21 01:20

Thanks Dee. Don't know Boehm................I have a plane 'ole Vito. I probably don't know what I'm talking about at this point anyway. And too, thanks for the slurring info.........I'll now work on making sense of that too.

~ jerry

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 RE: Fingering revisited
Author: Dee 
Date:   2000-12-21 01:45

Jerry, your "plain old Vito" uses the Boehm fingering system as do almost all clarinets used in the US today. By fingering system, I am referring to the key mechanism. The US and western Europe use Boehm system clarinets. Germany and Austria and perhaps some others use Oehler system clarinets.

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