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Author: GLHopkins
Date: 2010-05-30 17:31
What are the differences in these two clarinets? I have a repair customer that is looking at these, and I don't have enough experience with them to make a recommendation.
I've read that the CSG is based on the reformed boehm clarinet with longer top joint and shorter barrel....but with a more conventional bore.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-05-30 20:41
The most noticeable differences are the joint lengths and bell shape - the CSG having the proportions resembling German clarinets and the CSV is French, but there may be other differences in the bore taper, bore size and bell bore to make the CSG different to the CSV (although the CSG still has what is considered a French bore).
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2010-06-01 12:12
Sound, intonation and feel are both close and W-O-N-D-E-R-F-U-L. The difference is that the CSG has a warmer sound.
................Paul Aviles
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2010-06-01 15:43
If you have a BIG, full service dealer nearby, that would be the place to find one or two.
But the "good news" is that ANY Yamaha dealer can obtain one for you. I was able to talk a local dealer (mainly of student line instruments) to bring one in on a "no-obligation-trial-basis-only." Of course the horn (CSG with Hamilton Plating) was so good, I sold him my R13 on the spot and took the CSG home!
You won't regret it.
My recommendation is to count on ordering their shortest barrel for it (53.8 I think) for most practical playing situations.
...............Paul Aviles
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2010-06-01 18:08
Shiny keywork with Hamilton plating,
is the feature for which I've been waiting.
Those colorful keys
will assuredly please
clarinetists all anticipating....
GBK with his old-school Buffets,
carries on in a nickel-plate haze
unaware that the glare
from the Yamaha fare
gets more gigs than his skill when he plays!
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We've gone too long without stupid limericks on the BB, so....
I hereby throw down the gauntlet!
Best bad rhyme wins a half-used tube of really old cork grease.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2010-06-01 18:32
I should note that I do not entirely believe the Yamaha propaganda that the Hamilton plating makes a difference to the sound. Although, I myself have not had the opportunity of playing a non-Hamilton horn.
My rationale for the choice was to prevent the corrosion that I experience with the high acidity in my sweat to keys that are nickel or silver.
As it turns out, since the Hamilton plating is VERY thin (only 2 or three microns), a years worth of playing starts to rub it off in spots. I have not experienced the corrosion yet, but stemming its progress for a year was heartening.
I will use gold plate the next opportunity I have for a full overhaul if possible.
...............Paul Aviles
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2010-06-01 18:48
Paul, no need to be defensive, I certainly didn't intend to spoof your Hamilton plating --- just saw it as a good opportunity to get our Limerickers writing again.
Any plating that looks good and feels good, is good --- but I sincerely hope that nobody truly believes it makes a difference in the sound. If anyone does, please contact me privately about a bridge I have for sale, plus I'll give you a sales brochure for my amazing 100-mpg carburetor* (it will give your clarinet better gas mileage!).
*you're kidding, you don't know what a carburetor is? Jeez, kids these days.........
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2010-06-01 18:49
Clarinet Fest in Austin could certainly be
a terribly costly adventure for me.
CSGH's in Bb and A.
Behn's custom mouthpiece, so easy to play.
All now reside at the top of my list --
and the new Lomax ligatures aren't to be missed.
Just thinking about these things makes my mouth foam.
For the sake of my checkbook, I'd better stay home.
(Not a limerick but, at least, I have the stupid down.)
Best regards,
jnk
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Author: GBK
Date: 2010-06-01 18:57
The horn that I use every day.
Is a 45 year old Buffet.
I don't need special plating
Or 6 months in waiting
To find a horn that just plays OK.
With so many models to pick,
Choosing one is no easy trick.
Hyacinthe Klose?
He played a Buffet.
With great tone and technique that was sick.
...GBK
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Author: David Spiegelthal ★2017
Date: 2010-06-01 19:47
I apologize for hijacking GLH's thread, but any trick that can extract a new limerick from our esteemed Moderator, is worth resorting to.
Isn't Tom Puwalski our 'resident' Yamaha artist? I'm sure he would be able to answer the questions in the original posting.
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Author: Ed
Date: 2010-06-01 21:11
I believe David Niethamer is also a Yamaha artist
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-06-01 21:22
I've seen a CSG-H where the player had pitted and eroded the plating on several keys - the thumb tube was particularly bad, so Hamilton plating isn't as resistant to acid erosion as some would expect. It only takes a small area where the plating is thin to wear out (such as along a sharp edge) and then the erosion will take hold and spread beneath the plating.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: JJAlbrecht
Date: 2010-06-02 01:55
There have been those Parisians so gay
Who made clarinets stamped "Buffet"
Morrie worked with Leblanc
Started turning the crank
There's a new horn in town, happy day!!
Jeff
“Everyone discovers their own way of destroying themselves, and some people choose the clarinet.” Kalman Opperman, 1919-2010
"A drummer is a musician's best friend."
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Author: Jack Kissinger
Date: 2010-06-02 12:38
But Morrie did not have foresight
and, therefore, did not get it right.
If he'd just known ahead
we'd be having this thread
Yamaha, not Leblanc, would delight.
jnk
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Author: Dileep Gangolli
Date: 2010-06-02 13:33
We started by talking Buffets
Then switched the error of our ways
Many have opinions
But few have the minions
To buy a Yamaha to play.
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Author: David Niethamer
Date: 2010-06-03 02:35
David Spiegelthal wrote:
> Any plating that looks good and feels good, is good --- but I sincerely hope that > nobody truly believes it makes a difference in the sound.
I bought a CSGH Bb last October. I tried about a dozen CSG's at the Yamaha Atelier in NYC - 6 silver plated and 6 Hamilton. EVERY Hamilton plated clarinet played better than the best silver plated instrument in that room.
Now I don't believe for one minute that the plating had anything to do with the way the clarinet sounded. But Yamaha must be doing something different to those Hamilton plated instruments, because the difference was striking.
For just $250 extra, it was worth getting the Hamilton plating - still less than an R13, and just as good of an instrument.
As to the difference from a CSV - I'm sorry to say I don't know, beyond the specs on the Yamaha web site. And yes, I am a Yamaha Performing Artist - whatever that may mean!!
David
niethamer@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/dbnclar1/index.html
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