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Author: Keil
Date: 2000-12-18 19:04
Do you think that any of the leading manufacturers will produce full boehm system Bb clarinets with the low Eb key and what not? I know Patricola offers one but i was wondering would the other leading clarinet makers begin manufacturing them.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-12-18 19:56
I believe that some of the major ones already do but they are special order items and not carried in stock by any of the normal and internet retailers.
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Author: gRAHAM gOLDEN
Date: 2000-12-18 20:37
Amati offers a full boehm low Eb clarinet. Like you siad patricola does and so does ripamonti. I believe the buffet RC is available in full boehm.
Graham
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2000-12-18 21:12
Not long back, LeBlanc offered various combinations of the 4 additions to some of their 17/6 top models [the LL's I believe] . Of the 4, I find the alt. Ab/Eb and the art. C#/G# to be the most useful on my 2 F B's. Don
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Author: Robin
Date: 2000-12-18 22:29
Just yesterday I saw a new Buffet Prestige full bohm in my local shop. (not sure whether R13 or RC) It sort of took me by surprise, but it didn't seem to have been ordered specially in.
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Author: Todd H.
Date: 2000-12-18 23:49
Are those low C basset clarinets full Boehm system, or are they like 17/6 clarinets with a few extra low notes added? As D.B. says the extra Eb is a nice option to have. The fork Bb/Eb ring is pretty smooth for G to Bb tremolo and triads too. I've really been drilling these extra keys lately, but have'nt been able to co-ordinate the right hand articulated G# sliver key for rapid trills with a three note turn at the end.
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Author: jbutler
Date: 2000-12-19 00:26
LeBlanc makes the 1199S which is a full Boehm. It is based on the 1176 (double L) clarinet. If you really want to get crazy get one of the 1756S's. An "A" clarinet with extended range to low C. It was designed to use playing the K.622 Mozart Clarinet Concerto. 20 keys, 6 rings, .574" bore, Key of A. I don't have my retail price list with me, but I can assure you it isn't cheap! No, Todd, it doesn't have the articulated C#/G# or the fork Eb/Bb, but it does have the alternate Eb for the left hand. Buffet's version of it is the BC1553. Same key work. The current Buffet catalogue does not show a listing for full Boehm clarinets, at least mine doesn't.
John
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Author: Ken Rasmussen
Date: 2000-12-19 03:24
I'm curious: I've never been around an extended range horn in either a bass or a soprano. Do the low note extensions have practical use in the clarion range by using the register key? Do people use these fingerings to keep from having to cross the break?
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2000-12-19 08:19
Extensions make the instrument undesirably heavy.
Extra mechanisms have a down-side. It is all the more to go wrone, greatly increases servicing time, increases weight, and often adds a 'friction feel' to the mechanisms involved.
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Author: Don Poulsen
Date: 2000-12-19 13:50
I have a Buffet low-C bass clarinet. If I try using the extended notes in the clarion register, they have a noticeably stuffy sound. The lower the note, the stuffier the sound. I could use the low-E flat key and the register key to create a middle-of-the-staff b-flat if the note was a short enough that the stuffiness would not be noticed.
I'm guessing that a triple register key (new invention) would be needed to make these keys really usable in the clarion register. Of course, I can only make observations for my instrument and not other brands or for extended range/full boehm sopranos, etc.
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Author: Ken Shaw
Date: 2000-12-19 17:30
I've played most models of basset clarinet (going down to low C). The extended notes are useless in the clarion register -- poor sound and extremely out of tune. In fact, even on a full-boehm soprano clarinet with a low Eb, the Bb above is too far out of tune to use.
I think it's because the lower joint bore is not redesigned -- just extended. The entire bore of the instrument would probably have to be re-tapered to make the extended notes useful in the clarion register, and to no good purpose, since these notes are clumsy to finger and overlap with the standard fingerings. Also, if you changed the bore that much, the instrument wouldn't have the standard tone.
The famous restorer/designer/repairman Ted Planas designed a second register key, which he called the Marca system, not for the clarion but the altissimo. It opened a new vent near the top of the barrel, improving the altissimo and extended its compass down to Ab. I played a prototype several years ago and thought it had great possibilities, but it wasn't perfect -- the altissimo was hard to "find" and was rather unstable. Planas died before it could be put into production.
Best regards.
Ken Shaw
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