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Author: bcoulter
Date: 2010-03-26 00:24
I've been playing my new to me Noblet for a month or so now. I'm quite happy with my progress considering that I haven't played in more than 20 years. I've been experimenting with mouthpieces and reeds. I started with the Noblet mouthpiece and vandoren 2.5s and 3.0s. Next I tried a vandoren B45 with the same reeds, noticeable improvement. Next I puchased a used Vandoren 2RV, ahhh I'm really liking it at the moment with a vandoren 2.5.
The problem I'm having is with my Bonade (not inverted) ligature. It doesn't tighten up securely on the 2rv like it did on the larger diameter B45. The top screw bottoms out before the reed is secure.
Can anyone recomend a ligature that will fit the 2 RV well?
Thanks,
Bill Coulter
Lima, Ohio
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Author: kdk
Date: 2010-03-26 00:44
Try sticking a rubber mouthpiece patch on the back of the mouthpiece to take up some space. Or you can glue some cork or rubber to the inside of the ligature. If you don't already have the ligature down to the bottom ligature line (my Vandorens have two lines on the bottom) you can also try pushing it a little farther down on the mouthpiece.
Karl
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Author: Eddydavik
Date: 2010-03-26 02:31
Vandoren does manufacture their own lines of ligatures.
Edward Escobar
Suita City Wind Ensemble
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2010-03-26 12:13
Or just get a twenty dollar Rovner Light and never worry about ligatures again.
.................Paul Aviles
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Author: jims
Date: 2010-03-26 16:35
I recently got a a Rovner Dark. It cost less than $30 and coupled with a Vandoren German mouthpiece it make a very nice sound.
Jim
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Author: Ralph Katz
Date: 2010-03-26 21:16
If you are generally happy with the Bonade's sound, get out a Dremel tool and file down both ends of the ligature where they come together. This do-it-yourself repair fixed the problem for me. After grinding, be sure to smooth out any rough edges with 300 grit emery paper.
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Author: bcoulter
Date: 2010-03-26 21:50
Thanks for the input gentlemen, I just ordered a Rovner light, we'll see how it works out.
Bill Coulter
Lima, Ohio
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2010-03-28 15:47
I tried a Rovner and found that it was good when it worked, but it stretched with use after only a couple of months. After that it was impossible to get enough clamping force to keep the reed securely in place. I modified my metal ligature as suggested in an earlier post and now use that.
Tony F.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2010-03-28 16:43
Dear Tony F,
I am sorry to hear of your poor performance from your Rovner. I strongly believe this to be an exceptional case. Of the ones I've owned many are well over ten years old with NO APPRECIABLE WEAR at all (that would affect performance).
I did begin using an old Rovner Light given to me that started "slipping" (at the bar/screw mechanism). After some minor adjustments and oiling, it was up and running again.
.................Paul Aviles
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2010-03-28 16:52
I'm another person totally dissatisfied with a Rovner - my clarinet sounded better with a rubber band holding the reed on. I tossed the thing.
Which is why "Or just get a twenty dollar Rovner Light and never worry about ligatures again" luckily worked for someone, but doesn't work for all.
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2010-03-28 17:49
Dear Mark,
Which Rovner?
The "Dark" has some issues and I'm not as excited about this one since the real leather ones are not made anymore. However, there is also the Eddie Daniels (or the new name for it) that is right up there with all the other best ligatures out there.
Sorry to hear of YOUR trials and tribulations as well.
....................Paul Aviles
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2010-03-28 18:02
Paul Aviles wrote:
> Dear Mark,
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> Which Rovner?
Real leather, don't rememer which exact type. Have tried them all over the years, never found one I liked for any price. Doesn't mean they're bad, just don't work whatsoever on my clarinet with me doing the blowing. A Luyben is a real buy for me ... it's my 3rd choice (#1 Spriggs, #2 Bonade modified).
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2010-03-29 04:18
I've used my same Eddie Daniels exclusively since '97. I've switched makes of reeds, mouthpieces, clarinet, barrel, and bell in the mean time but have yet to find something I considered a significant improvement over the Rovner ED (the first series, before the redesigned ED2). And I just picked it up as an ignorant high-schooler going into the local guitar-keyboard-drums-and-also-some-wind-instruments-in-the-corner shop and asking for a Rovner because that's what other people were using.
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: trice035
Date: 2010-03-30 03:25
Yes, Rovners are known to give a nice dull tone.. oops.. I mean dark tone. ;-)
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Author: saxlite
Date: 2010-03-30 05:33
Re: Rovners-see my comment on the new Rovner Legacy in the Harrison/Bonade thread.
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Author: RoBass
Date: 2010-03-30 06:50
I don't like the Rovner's to, because they are very inflexible against varying the reed thickness. My favourite non-metal ligature is the GF-system. But be aware to chosse the right size for your MPC ;-)
The price should not differ from the Rovner light.
kindly
Roman
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Author: salzo
Date: 2010-03-30 15:18
Ralph Katz wrote:
"If you are generally happy with the Bonade's sound, get out a Dremel tool and file down both ends of the ligature where they come together. This do-it-yourself repair fixed the problem for me. After grinding, be sure to smooth out any rough edges with 300 grit emery paper."
Where exactly are you grinding?
I have a vast assortment of tools that I use to bang, bend, twist, straighten, and sometimes in the end "smash" when all else fails, my bonade ligatures. I have a dremel tool, and would love to give that a try on a ligature.
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2010-03-31 16:10
Ralph,
What you're aiming to do is to remove metal to open up the gap where the ligature joins at the screws. Just file or grind enough metal away so that when the ligature is screwed up onto your reed at the right point on the mouthpiece there is a slight gap at the join.
Tony F.
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2010-04-03 18:05
I just removed the lig screws and opened up the ligature. Put a file in there are go at it. I would work on the non threaded portion mostly.
Freelance woodwind performer
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