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 Mouthpiece traits tradeoff
Author: buit15 
Date:   2010-03-20 13:18

What is the tradeoff or abilities compromise in going from a shorter facing with wider tip opening to a longer facing with narrower opening? I just tried a Vandoren M13 Lire (102 opening, ML facing) versus my current 5RV lire (109 opening, medium facing). I noticed a greater ease in playing on the M13 L; however, the sound seems kind of muffled or greyer. I am not quite sure of this reaction as it was in a small studio room at a music store. Removing the resistance issue I was dealing with on my just bought older Buffet R13 is a plus, but I would hate to think it would be at the cost of quality of sound.

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 Re: Mouthpiece traits tradeoff
Author: Bob Phillips 
Date:   2010-03-20 16:01

Have some else listen to you. You get your impression of your sound in "stereo": through your teeth and skull bones and through your ears. Your listeners hear only the sound.

I have no experience with the the 5RV or the M13, but I think that the M30 has an even longer facing than the M13, if it is facing length that causes your change, then you might want to go even further (M30) to see how the progression comes out.

You might need a softer reed on the longer lay.

I have two M30s, one a production unit that DEMANDS that I take in a lot of mouthpiece to get my lower lip down to the fulcrum where the reed leaves the table and starts to move on the facing. The other is a -13 series (internal shape adapted to the Buffet R13) that has been refaced by Lee Livengood. He shortened the lay and made the mouthpiece easier to play.

I can not discern a difference between the short and long-lay M30s.

Bob Phillips

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 Re: Mouthpiece traits tradeoff
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2010-03-20 17:17

In the subtle differences between the two mouthpieces you describe, it is a minor difference. You are experiencing the very subtle change in this scenario where taking in less mouthpiece for a shorter lay and backing off the reed strength for a larger opening may be necessary (but not here).

The "trap" may be to think that you could continue to see improvements as you continue up this chain. In some ways you could find ways of making your sound by yourself continue to be more round, or big or dark, but at the cost of losing some control and some overtones.

Recently I had a spurt in that direction only to find my sound more akin to a saxophone (GOD HELP US ALL) with the context of an ensemble and I VERY quickly backed off. I'm still re-teaching myself stuff.



.................Paul Aviles



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