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 Ping-ey tone
Author: moolatte 
Date:   2010-02-25 22:55

When I listen to lots of professional clarinetists, when they tongue, their note has a funny bounce to it. What causes this? I would like to be able to do it, but I just can't do it. Every note I play has a hint of an airy sound. It just sounds average.

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 Re: Ping-ey tone
Author: Bassie 
Date:   2010-02-26 08:09

I'm sure others will advise on technique, but the prime suspect for 'airy sound' is always 'reed too hard'.

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 Re: Ping-ey tone
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2010-02-26 12:38

The "ping" IS air. They don't refer to a clarinet as a WOODWIND instrument for nothing.


You need to have more force behind the the air column by using your abdominal muscles. It will feel more like you are blowing up a resistant balloon. The idea being that you will then have a STEADY stream of FAST air. Another indicator that the sound is being produced correctly is that you will feel the body of the clarinet vibrating under your fingers, particularly in the chalemeau register.




....................Paul Aviles



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 Re: Ping-ey tone
Author: Lelia Loban 2017
Date:   2010-02-26 14:07

Another thing that helps for some reason is the inside shape of the mouth. I find that I can focus the tone better and get a more resonant sound if I blow the long tones with the back of my tongue low in my mouth, as if I were singing a low-pitched "Oh" (not "ooooh" or "aaah" or "eeee").

Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
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 Re: Ping-ey tone
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2010-02-26 15:39

Dear Lelia Loban,


Actually, I would disagree with you on the best tongue position for resonance.

The lowed, back of the tongue position is commonly refered to as "open throat." If you are really honest about what is actually happening, you will realize that the back of the tongue is protruding into the throat in this position and in reality this SLOWS the stream of air.

"EEEEEE" (albeit counterintuative) is the BEST position for a quick, steady, efficient stream of air. Of course one must make some adjustments to the back of the tongue for voicing upper clarion and altissimo notes (as stated in the Ridenour videos recently discussed on the board) but the predominant approach MUST be one of keeping the tongue in a natural, at rest position for the best sound.



..............Paul Aviles

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 Re: Ping-ey tone
Author: Ed Palanker 
Date:   2010-02-26 22:05

I don't want to get into the proper tongue position again, it's been told many times on this board. You can check my website and look at the clarinet page and find the articles on tonguing, it might help you. I think part of the "ping" you hear is the way the reed vibrates when the tongue leaves the reed. Of course you need to have good air support but you have to be using your tongue properly too. See in my articles help you understand it better. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com

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 Re: Ping-ey tone
Author: Lelia Loban 2017
Date:   2010-02-27 13:32

>>If you are really honest about what is actually happening, you will realize that the back of the tongue is protruding into the throat in this position and in reality this SLOWS the stream of air.>>

That's not true for me. When I lower my tongue at the back, I lower it. I don't bunch it up in the back. I'm guessing the reason must be that we've got differently-shaped tongues and mouths. Also guessing that there'll be quite a lot of variation in how different people get the "open throat" tone. You're right that that's what I'm after. I hesitated to use that term even though it's the accepted one, because the forum has had rather vigorous discussions before about what "open throat" really means!

Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
To hear the audio, click on the "Scorch Plug-In" box above the score.

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 Re: Ping-ey tone
Author: Paul Aviles 
Date:   2010-02-27 15:21

Ok, take deep breaths like you would at the doctor's office when he/she is listening to your chest. Listen to the sound of the air as you expel this way.

Now say "AHHHHH" like you do when your doctor wants to look at your throat. Now try breathing as above while doing the "ahhhh" sound configuration with your tongue. You should hear more "whishyness" in the sound - that's an obstuction.



.................Pau Aviles

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 Re: Ping-ey tone
Author: mrn 
Date:   2010-02-27 21:34

The correct way to position your tongue is the way I do it, and I'm not giving away any secrets...  :)

Just kidding...well, sort of. Tongue position IS worth thinking about in this context. It's just that the idea that your tongue needs to be in a specific place for high notes and in another specific place for low notes, etc. is an oversimplification.

The main thing you have to be aware of is simply that where and how you position your tongue has an important effect on the quality and focus of the sound, as well as the pitch. Moreover, it plays a critical role in making smooth transitions between notes.

In those respects, it plays a very similar function to what it does when whistling. Now, you don't have to think very much about where you place your tongue when whistling--experience tells you what to do on a more-or-less subconscious level, and you simply let your tongue do the work. And when you do this, your tongue is constantly moving as you transition from pitch to pitch. The same thing should happen with the clarinet--you use your tongue to reinforce what you want the clarinet to do pitch-wise and sound-wise. This is something you more or less have to figure out through practice how to do to achieve the best results. As with whistling, there really are no pre-fabricated formulas for success--it's a question of learning to control the instrument.

However, it REALLY DOES help to be aware of the fact that you can use your tongue for this purpose.

As mentioned above, you also have to have good steady air support, not just during notes, but also in-between them (when your tongue is on the reed).

I think some of the "ping" you're hearing is the slight accent that occurs when the tongue is released. When I want to avoid the accent, say on a soft entrance, I will often attack the reed with only the air (a "breath attack") to keep the attack from becoming too explosive.

Another thing you need to have in order to make a good attack is a good reed. As Bassie noted, having too hard of a reed will cause you to sound airy. Having an unbalanced reed can also do this. A good reed should be nice and responsive at all dynamics. An unresponsive reed will hesitate and perhaps even hiss somewhat before the sound starts; in that case you don't get a "ping" you just get something like a "hissss..tone," so you never get the nice little attack and decay sequence that creates the "ping."

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