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Author: mw
Date: 2000-12-04 20:21
1. Is anybody aware as to whether Selmer ever made their HS* (or any other) models in *PLASTIC*. I ran across one that could be a combination. Weight is closer to hard rubber counterpart (a hard rubber HS*) & shows black on sandpaper (but its tough scraping, reminiscent of plastic). The smell that the sandpaper gets is suiggestive of hard rubber. The one I have is a Table HS*. However, it isn't parallerl to the Table, its perpendicular @ the bottom of the Table. It has the Selmer trademark below the bottom line. Could this be a mix of materials?
2. Bought some items out of the Estate of a University Professor (what a pleasure to see thinss cared for so well). With the Lelandais mouthpiece came a Vandoren Inverted Ligature, made of Silver. This Lig is skinny banded all the way around, designed & shaped like intersecting lines ... 2 thin horizontal (top & bottom) lines ... 4 vertical lines ... 1 each at either side of the closure-opening area by the screws & 2 dispersed equally between. Any idea how old this is ? My guess is 20 years or so.
Thanks.
mw
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Author: Anji
Date: 2000-12-04 23:43
The Lelandais could be researched under the Archives, here @ sneezy.
Sounds like 30+ years ago for these.
The Selmer sounds pretty odd, I'm not entirely sure the two materials could be successfully welded together.
Is the finish very shiny after wet sanding with 600 grit?
Dollars to doughnuts, it's all rubber. (I would trust my nose.)
Any other cool stuff?
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Author: mw
Date: 2000-12-05 00:05
No problem with the mouthpiece. Its probably at least 40-45 years old (or more). Lelandais sold the "farrm" ro Glotin in 1974, so that would be 26+ years ago.
No, my only problem is identifying the mouthpiece material. It didn'tr exactly respond normally to my bleaching either. mw
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Author: Bob Curtis
Date: 2000-12-05 01:43
mv -
I have a Selmer crystal mouthpiece I purchased around 1949 in the HS* finish, but I have never seen a PLASTIC one before. I have seen plenty of the hard rubber ones. This is indeed curious. Let us know what you find out. Now I am curious, also.
Bob Curtis
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Author: mw
Date: 2000-12-05 02:58
Bob, I have a Selmer Crystal, too. It is hand signed with a somewhat strange symbol & 2 stars. This mouthpiece has been referred to an "early Selmer Crystal"
The symbol is I I ... yes, two verticle lines, and then there is an "S" going thru the 2 lines. It isn't a dollar sign, nor is it a usual H. When you think about it is a COMBINED "H" & "S". Strange.
Has a medium facing & plays very nicely.
mw
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Author: Gordon (NZ)
Date: 2000-12-05 10:36
Any sort of powder 'filler' could have been added to a hard rubber mixture: carbon, rock dust, manganese dioxide..........Who knows?
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Author: Robin
Date: 2000-12-05 10:46
I have a Vandoren ligature which matches this description. I only bought it about one year ago.
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Author: Brent
Date: 2000-12-05 12:16
As to the question about mixing hard rubber and plastic, yes it can be done. Ralph Morgan's student model mouthpiece is 40% rubber and the rest plastic. However, i don't think plastic technology was the same back when the Selmer Table mouthpieces were in production. My guess is that it's rubber.
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Author: mw
Date: 2000-12-05 16:21
Thanks, Robin. Where did you buy the Vandoren ligature?
Brent, I don't know if I was clear. I'll try & describe "more better".
This Selmer mouthpiece is different from 2 other Selmer TABLE mouthpieces I have seen. There is the familiar Table design, where there is an oval that runs parallel with Table & within the oval is the Selmer mouthpiece model description, e.g. HS**. There is an OLDER Selmer Table that has no oval & the Table only showed the model #.
This Selmer mouthpiece has the lettering at the bottom of the Table & perpendicular to the Table. There is no oval & the lettering seems modern (or "bouncy looking" like something for a kid)m somewhat slanted or italicized, the letters are slanted.
mw
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Author: Robin
Date: 2000-12-06 02:09
Just at my local music shop. I have seen them frequently on clarinets all around the place. I also own the same thing made of brass (I think) which is painted black. Since this is Australia, where we a have limited stock at the best of times, I'd be surprised if you couldn't find them in US shops (you're there, right?). Come to think of it, I'd be surprised if none of your friends used one... I hope we are talking of the same piece of equipment!
Robin
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Author: mw
Date: 2000-12-06 04:17
I spotted something tonight in the Weiner catalogue that looks like it might fit the bill. (they have available in black matte, nickel plated & silver plated) No photos. I'll followup. On the end of others using the V/D ligature here, YES, to the Optimum. But, I can't remember anybody saying they played any Vandy ligature besides the Optimum. Maybe we'll hear from somebody who does. mw
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Author: Chris Hill
Date: 2000-12-09 04:34
Some of the old Chedeville and Kaspar mouthpieces are made of that material that shows up black on sandpaper. How does this one play?
Chris
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Author: Luanne
Date: 2000-12-09 15:05
I play on a black matte Vandoren ligature and have for 20 years! :o)
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