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Author: clarinetoman42
Date: 2010-01-08 11:24
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Hey everyone, I'm new on the board and I have a question...
Im currently restoring a 1995 buffet r13 and I have been able to most things (i.e. silver key polishing) without a problem however there is one thing that has stumped me so far so here goes.
How do I restore the buffet-crampon logo stamp that is stamped several places on the clarinet (i.e. the front of the barrel and the bell)?
The stamp is still there, the problem is that the gold leaf (or other material they used to making the lettering gold) is gone and I was wondering how to restore that really nice gold lettering look.
Thanks in advance
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-01-08 13:16
You can re-engrave it with a sharp needle or scriber so gold paste will take - but this is delicate and time consuming work and you need both good light and eyesight, as well as a good magnifyer, a steady hand and bags of patience.
You can get gold (gilt) paste to redo logos from art and craft shops as they often sell it for redoing picture frames, clock cases or furniture. Selmer and other makers use gold paste to fill engraved logos and you can get it in various shades of gold to best match what was already there or what new instruments have.
Buffet logos are stamped on with a heated stamp and adhesive gold foil (the heat activates the adhesive on the foil), and the logo is usually stamped deeper at the sides than the middle. Machine or laser engraved logos are usually more uniform.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2010-01-08 13:54
When I was in high school my repairman asked me if I wanted him to "restore" the gold color in the Buffet stamp, he told me it would make the clarinet sound better. I believed him for about 3 seconds. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: clarinetoman42
Date: 2010-01-08 14:13
Thanks for all the help I just got back from the art store with the supplies.
I'll let you know how it goes
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2010-01-08 14:18
I use a gold oil-based paint from a n art shop. A small tube will last ages.
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Author: William
Date: 2010-01-08 14:40
Back in the 50's--surely, you all can remember--it was "the rage" to customize you cars by removing all of the identifying manufacturer's labels and putting skirts in the wheel wells to make your wheels look the "most cool ever". Maybe we bring that back with our clarinets and strip all the makers stamps and logos, giving them a sleek "cool cat" look. Maybe they would play faster and smoother just like our old jalopies ran back then. And what attention they would attract cruising through every performance. And, Ed, if they looked cool, wouldn't they also sound cool?? Worked for my old 1955 Ford, why not my 1962 set of R13s?? And how much neater those custom bells and barrels would be without Morries name and logo......Holy cow, man!!!!!
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Author: DixieSax
Date: 2010-01-08 15:11
I've proudly worn the gold stamps off of every clarinet I've ever owned. Why would I want my clarinet to look like I never played it anyway.
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Author: Caroline Smale
Date: 2010-01-08 21:19
I agree with DixieSax
I personally think that a well matured and used instrument looks far nicer than a new one, especially those with the oversize jazzy logos emblazoned on them.
I recall rubbing linseed oil into the gold markings on my Leblanc clarinets 50 years ago to give them a more mature look.
Mind you at about the same time I also recall kicking and scuffing my shiny new IBM toolcase to try and disguise from the customers my rookie status!!
(That didn't fool many of them either).
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2010-01-08 21:53
Ferree's Tools has what you need -- a waxy gold Trademark Crayon for that very purpose. Go to http://www.ferreestools.com/Pg.55-112.pdf and then search for the word crayon. It's Item D48 on page 102.
If you go to any instrument repair shop, the technician will have a bunch of crayon stubs lying around and will probably give you one.
Ken Shaw
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Author: alvydas
Date: 2010-02-25 19:02
To restore the logo on older Buffet R13 is not as simple as it seems. You may end up with a lot of “yellow” mess around the logo. To re-engrave the logo as Chris P suggested is also not a “do it yourself” job. If you make a mistake there’s no way back. Patience and a steady hand is one thing and experience is another. Practice to restoring logos on old “wooden” clunkers first before you touch an R13.
BTW crayons are for babies…….. and ignorant technicians .
AK
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Author: claaaaaarinet!!!!
Date: 2010-02-26 14:50
"Buffet logos are stamped on with a heated stamp and adhesive gold foil (the heat activates the adhesive on the foil), and the logo is usually stamped deeper at the sides than the middle."
Chris P. is right. Here's a link to a picture of the "adhesive gold foil" they use. I took this picture on my factory visit last week:
http://dsfriberg.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/2010_0216buffet0041.jpg
There is a small machine with a steel cylinder the size of a can of pineapple juice. The cylinder is smooth except for the raised buffet logo. I think it sort of rolls the impression onto the clarinet joints. We were told it usually takes two or three passes to get it deep enough and golden enough without splitting the wood.
I have my doubts that gold paint or crayons will look quite authentic or last very long, but I'm interested to know how it turns out. Good luck! If you contacted the factory and shipped the joints to them, I wonder if they would stamp them for you. It's an easy job with the right tools.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2010-02-26 14:54
http://dsfriberg.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/2010_0216buffet0041.jpg
The Tombeur logo stamping machine used at Howarth does the logos in one go on wooden instruments, though it's more difficult on plastic instruments which take about two passes - first time with no foil and the second time with foil, and with a much higher temperature.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Tony F
Date: 2010-03-01 11:48
Author: Norman Smale (---.zone5.bethere.co.uk - ISP in Manchester, I2 United Kingdom)
Date: 2010-01-08 21:19
Wrote
Mind you at about the same time I also recall kicking and scuffing my shiny new IBM toolcase to try and disguise from the customers my rookie status!!
(That didn't fool many of them either).
Hey, I did that as well! Rayners Lane, 1965.
Tony F.
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