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Author: Laur
Date: 2000-11-26 03:41
I give up !! I'm losing my mind.. Here's the deal : The clarion register is all in tune.. Low C, Middle C Perfect.. When I hit A, Ab,B, Bb and C, it's out of tune.. Then when I play Altimmiso (?) D,Eb,E,F.... It's all in tune again ..
1. What do I do ?
2. I have a click barrel, It helps some.
3. I play on a Vandoren B45, with a Ronover Lig and Various reeds.. - Should I start expermenting on different mouthpieces ?
4. Doubling Liping thoes problem notes help, should I learn to go back and forth between embrochures ?
Any suggestions would be helpful !!!!1
Laur
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Author: Nate Zeien
Date: 2000-11-26 04:34
Laur, I would start by asking a few questions...
1. What make and model is it?
2. Are the notes A through C sharp or flat?
3. Have you tried taking it to a repair tech for adjustments?
With a few more details it would be easier to help you. It sounds like it is out of adjustment, but there are other possible factors as well. I would say DON'T switch between emouchures. You do not want to be doing this, especially if there is something causing the problem on the part of the instrument. The less adjusting you have to do on part of each instrument's individual quirks, the better. -- Nate Zeien
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-11-26 12:20
I agree with Nate. It is probably an instrument problem. If the pad heights are off, you can experience exactly what is happening here. The register key can be a major culprit.
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Author: mark weinstein
Date: 2000-11-26 14:57
What kind of clarinet is this? What is the nature of your tuning problem when you hit Clarion A? Flat or sharp? (Altissimo notes in tune? Don't lose your mind yet, you are doing better than many) :-) mw
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Author: William
Date: 2000-11-26 15:58
If you are "in tune" from low C to top staff G and in the range above high C#, then I would consider you very lucky. Most clarinets are flat on low E and F, sharp in the "throat" G#, A and A# and flat on D# and F# above high C. It is normal for clarinets to be sharp on "above staff" A, A#, B and C. We usually just learn to lip them down a bit. This is, however, a generality as some clarinets are sharper than others, but I have yet to find a clarinet (or any wind instrument for that matter) that is perfectly in tune on all notes. We all have to learn to favor the notes on our own clarinets to play what is considered to be "in tune." As for switching embouchures to favor your "special" notes, that is not recommended. You should stick to one method. If you like the "double lip" method and it helps your intrument play better in tune on your problem notes, then I recomment that you use it all the time. It is easier to play in tune with a double lip embouchure--at least that is what I have been told. It should be possible, however, to lip those sharp notes down with the traditional embouchure--just takes practice. If those notes are flat (unusual), then perhaps your pads are set too low and need to be raised. In that case, you need a qualified repairperson. By the way, don't ever expect to be able to play perfectly in tune--even the great Harold Wright had his brief "out of tune" moments. If you can be within 2 cents on your tuner, that is considered excellant. But the greatist skill is to be able to match the pitch of those musicians around you. Listen, and good clarineting.
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Author: Laur
Date: 2000-11-26 22:06
Laur, I would start by asking a few questions...
1. What make and model is it?
2. Are the notes A through C sharp or flat?
3. Have you tried taking it to a repair tech for adjustments?
With a few more details it would be easier to help you. It sounds like it is out of adjustment, but there are other possible factors as well. I would say DON'T switch between emouchures. You do not want to be doing this, especially if there is something causing the problem on the part of the instrument. The less adjusting you have to do on part of each instrument's individual quirks, the better. -- Nate Zeien >>
Hi !
1. I have a Selmer wood clarinet, I think CL200
2. A-C are sharp.
3. I took it to a repair tech, he said everything is fine, he suggested shifting some keys, untill I get some more info i'm not touching the keywork..
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Author: Chris Hill
Date: 2000-11-27 03:06
I've noticed that I have a problem with those same notes going sharp on that model clarinet. I think that it is because the register tube is probably too large. I tried filling in the register tube a little on one, and these notes were much better. The click barrel may be adding to the problem, because they have a large exit bore, which will tend to bring up the pitch on those notes. I had a student who had this model of Selmer get a Scott barrel, and this helped (but not as much as altering the tube.) You may want to try having your local repair shop try changing register tubes for you. Older Signets (before 1990) may be a place to get a smaller tube. Otherwise, there's Abe Galper's register tube and key mechanism. Dave Blumberg, who's a member of this list, can tell you if that would work on this model Selmer. Changing things like register tubes may seem drastic to some, but it is not difficult for a qualified repair tech to do this. I wouldn't try doing this on your own, however.
Chris
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Author: Anji
Date: 2000-11-27 22:23
I put in Abe Galper's R13 vent kit for the same sort of problem with a Buffet. It helps, but not so much as matching barrels may.
The Click! is great for tuning with the other players, innit?
To quantify this, how far off is the Clarion reg? An earlier post claimed +/- 5% to be exceptionally good, and up through 12% error to be (unfortunately) normal.
You would thing for what these things cost they could tweak the tuning into shape!
Clark Fobes has an extensive article on tuning that points to just how difficult this can be; http://www.clarkwfobes.com/Tuning%20article/Tuning%20the%20Clarinet%20for%20PS.htm.
I would really concentrate on the barrel/mouthpiece match first.
good luck!
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