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Author: kathryn777
Date: 2009-11-20 00:55
anybody anything about this instrument? all i know is it dates back to hungary hundreds of years
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Author: LonDear
Date: 2009-11-20 02:04
Stephen Fox knows a lot about the tarogato.
Esther Lamneck has recordings available.
They have a rich, warm sound which is a cross between a clarinet and a soprano sax. The intonation is different than what you would expect from a modern clarinet, but is more in-line than the difference between a shakuhachi and a modern flute.
There are a couple of different designs depending on the locale (Hungary or Turkey). Stephen's keywork design seems to be a significant improvement, if he is still making them. I don't know if he tackled the intonation changes to make it as in-tune as a modern soprano sax (which wouldn't be as in-tune as a clarinet!).
There was actually a good wiki page on it as I remember from a few years back.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-11-20 07:52
"I don't know if he tackled the intonation changes to make it as in-tune as a modern soprano sax (which wouldn't be as in-tune as a clarinet!)."
It's hardly the fault of the soprano sax - most often it's the player who can't play in tune if they play it like a clarinet. My Yamaha 62 soprano sax is one of the most reliable instruments I know of for ease of playing and more importantly - ease of tuning - provided it's played like a soprano sax and not like a clarinet.
And I know far more clarinet players who can't play in tune (as well as flute, oboe, bassoon, sax, trumpet, horn, trombone, violin, 'cello, etc...), so instruments aren't solely to blame here.
And no clarinets are perfect by any means - it's the player who has to play them in tune.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2009-11-20 07:53)
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Author: BobD
Date: 2009-11-20 10:45
Chris...I'd be interested to know just what you mean about not playing sop sax like clarinet (a clarinet !) as I just got one, am playing it essentially the same way I play clarinet, but don't seem to have any problems playing in-tune.
As far as Tarogato all I can say is that they must be a difficult instrument to make.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-11-20 11:02
Saxes are played down to pitch as opposed to clarinets that are played up to pitch.
Play a soprano sax by playing it up to pitch with a firm clarinet-style embouchure will make the upper register from G upwards go very sharp.
Likewise sax players that have taken clarinet up relatively late in life and have gone it alone instead of getting good advice from a clarinet specialist will generally play them with a sax-style embouchure and the upper register will be flatter than a pancake.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2009-11-20 11:25
The tarogato has two diametrically opposed personalities. One is laid-back, creamy and romantic -- listen to Csaba Nagy. The other screams and wails like a sex-crazed klezmer clarinet on steroids.
Ken Shaw
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Author: buedsma
Date: 2009-11-20 16:56
http://www.tarogato.hu/english/index_elemei/page0001.htm
look here
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Author: blazian
Date: 2009-11-20 20:43
The image on the left side of that website confused me for a little bit :D.
- Martin
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Author: buedsma
Date: 2009-11-21 14:51
never heard of a tarogato "quatre-mains" for four players ?? :-)
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Author: William
Date: 2009-11-21 15:34
Recently heard (& saw) tenor saxophone virtuoso, Joe Levano, play his tarogato on HDTV net. Sadly, however, he does not have any recordings available.
BTW, a remarkable solo performance lasting an entire hour and featuring his T sax. He also played a few solos accompaning himself on an array of multi tambred gongs, playing the various gongs with his right hand and the sax with only his left. He said he got the left-hand only idea from seeing Rashan Rollin Kirk as a child. And frankly, he got more music out of his left hand only sax than most people I know can get out of both hands. An amazing musician and one of my favorite jazz tenor men.
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Author: contragirl
Date: 2009-11-21 18:38
I had never met a taragato in my life until I met Stephen Fox at Clarinet Fest in 2000. I was able to pick it up and toodle around on it without a problem, cuz (duh) it's a fat clarinet. What I did like about it was that it sounded like a soprano sax and I didn't have to convert myself to sax mode to play it. :P
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