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Author: DougR
Date: 2009-11-10 22:11
Tried a quick search, didn't find anything, so here's a question:
If you usually carry your A and Bb in a double case, what barrels do you depend on for main "using" barrels and what do you carry for spares?
I'm interested mainly in barrel lengths you're using, but if you use different tapers of barrels to voice the horn differently depending on playing circumstances, I'd be interested to hear about that too.
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Author: USFBassClarinet
Date: 2009-11-10 22:27
I just use the stock barrel with my Leblanc Esprit. 66mm. Or so it says...never measured it myself.
Same with the A clarinet I use. Just a borrowed R13 from a friend, but I would still just leave the stock barrel if it were mine. (not sure of the length, don't have it with me.)
Post Edited (2009-11-10 22:28)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-11-10 22:32
I use the stock barrels that came with my clarinets (CT, Series 9 and 9* plus a Leblanc LL and Yamaha YCL-24), and I find the best all-round barrel length for me is 67mm of which most of them are.
My most recent set of Series 9* clarinets have much shorter barrels - I think the Bb is 66mm and the A is 65mm (off the top of my head) which are far too short for me, even with the large bore Vandoren A1.
I do use a 68mm barrel with my Series 9 full Boehms in the summer so I don't have to pull the barrel out.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
Independent Woodwind Repair Specialist
Oboes, Clarinets and Saxes
NOT A MEMBER OF N.A.M.I.R.
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: xarkon
Date: 2009-11-10 23:17
Well, these barrel lengths will seem odd to an R-13 owner, but the Selmer Signature is of different design.
So - for Bb I have the factory 62.5mm (primary) and then two others of 60.5mm, one by Allan Segal and one by Robert Scott. I also have a 64.5 mm factory barrel.
For A I have factory barrels in 63 (primary) and 65mm.
Once warmed up, I can play in tune at A440 at a reasonable ambient temp (e.g. 72 - 75 F), using the primary barrels above. Not paid attention much to tuning at much higher temps (e.g. trying to pay outside at say, 85-90) because I just don't do that. The shorter barrels, though, allow me to compensate for group tuning issues where the pitch is rising, or where the temp is much lower than normal. I really don't use the longer barrels as the instruments will play flat.
Dave
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2009-11-11 00:18
Xarkon So you need the 60.5mm barrel on the Signature to tune to 442? If so then the same goes for my clarinet teacher. He is using some I think E classic model from Lomax(now L'Opera model I believe) but don't know if it tunes to 440 or 442 and the 442 model version came with 64.5mm and 62.5mm barrel but he had to use 60.5mm barrel to tune to 442. But the most odd think was that it took him some time to convince the seller that he needed shorter barrel than included to play tune the clarinet to 442. They just kept saying that it couldn't be.
I'm also interested to know if anyone knows the if the difference between 440 and 442 pitched Recital and Signature is more than just the barrel size included ?
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2009-11-11 01:11
I use a 62.5 on my Selmer Signature Bb and 67s on both my Buffet Bb and A. All of them are Backuns. I tune to A 440, at least I try to. Remember, the mouthpiece may have a slight difference in the pitch of the barrel you use as well, and in part, to the way you voice. Also the environment you live in may have an effect on the way your tunes so that will effect the barrel size you need. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com
ESP eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: 2E
Date: 2009-11-11 02:26
In my case ive got my buffet stock barrels, 66mm for Bb and 65mm for A.
I've also got my backuns which I use mainly, 67mm fatboy for Bb and 65mm cocobolo ringed for A.
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Author: grifffinity
Date: 2009-11-11 04:31
On my main horns I use a Buffet stock 65mm for my 1955 R-13 A, and a 66mm Allan Segal Ringless Cocobolo Barrel for my 1968 R-13 Bb. I am now carrying a spare 64mm barrel for my Bb since I started doing more pit work. On my last tour, we hit a few pits that were freezing cold and it was impossible to warm the horn up to pitch on my 66mm. Lesson learned!
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2009-11-11 04:46
No A clarinet. With my Bb I always take the two stock barrels, 64mm and 63mm.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2009-11-11 15:29
For Bb....a non-tapered 66 Blackwood stock barrel and a 65 ringless Cocobolo taper bore by a well-known barrel artisan (ahem)
For A...a 65mm Blackwood taper bore, and the same Cocobolo taper that I use for the Bb.
For Eb...stock barrel since my custom one is missing in action.
Who made them? See griffinity's much appreciated comment above. (BTW I do not recall who he/she is)
I dont typically carry around a whole bunch of barrels since those who see the extra ones seem think they are snatchable (is that a word?) for prices that my little boutique business can ill afford. Thus, I eliminate the temptation and protect my ledger.
Disclaimer...I make and sell wooden clarinet barrels.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: William
Date: 2009-11-11 17:47
Original A & Bb Buffet barrels plus one 67 Buffet barrel customized and purchased from Frank Kaspar. Sometimes, a 64 Springer barrel depending on the climatic conditions here in Wisconsin.
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Author: grifffinity
Date: 2009-11-11 18:23
Quote:
Who made them? See griffinity's much appreciated comment above. (BTW I do not recall who he/she is)
Hi Allan, I purchased your barrel off E-bay a few years ago. I think it was originally a 67.5mm. When I purchased a new mouthpiece, the pitch was affected and I had to send the barrel to you to get shortned. It's now a 66.15mm to be exact. It's been great match with my horn!
Jen Karakitsos
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Author: mrn
Date: 2009-11-11 18:37
I just use the stock barrels. 66 mm for Bb and 65 mm for A (I play Buffet R-13s).
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2009-11-11 19:15
Ah.....Jen, of course, I remember you. The Griffinity moniker threw me off.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: xarkon
Date: 2009-11-11 19:23
Iceland:
Yes - the 60.5 mm, on Bb, is needed to tune to 442.
Larry Naylor (Denver repairman) advised me that the Selmer Signatures he has seen all play flat. But - as someone else advised, the mouthpiece plays a critical role here. For example, using the Series 13 Vandoren MPs will definitely play flat; a non-series 13 Vandoren (e.g. M15 in non-series 13) will work fine at A440 with the 62.5 mm barrel.
But Larry's point is relevant, I think. If you have to use the high-pitch MP to get the instrument to play in tune with the short barrel supplied, then the long barrel seems pretty useless, as the pitch is not likely to go high enough - except possibly in quite warm conditions.
I've been there with the Selmer "can't possibly be that way" bit. Neither of the original barrels supplied with my A clarinet (bought via the net) fit correctly. I was at ClarinetFest before the dealer responded, and I explained the problem to the Selmer folks. Got the "well, it couldn't have left the factory this way" bit. Maybe so, but that's the way it came from the Elkhart distribution facility, because the dealer ordered a new instrument for me. In the end, they exchanged the barrels after a few minutes of huddling about it. So it worked out.
Dave
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2009-11-12 04:14
>> If you have to use the high-pitch MP to get the instrument to play in
>> tune with the short barrel supplied, then the long barrel seems pretty
>> useless, as the pitch is not likely to go high enough - except possibly
>> in quite warm conditions.
Yes, but it's only likely (or not) depending on how likely that high temperature is. I think pretty much every year I play both with the shorter barrel pushed in all the way and with the longer barrel pulled out a lot, and main connection too. I recorded once in conditions almost like a sauna and and using the longer barrel, the clarinet was probably open at least 5mm.
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Author: Iceland clarinet
Date: 2009-11-12 13:29
On the Selmer homepage they show the Signature in two pitches 440(64.5 and 62.5mm barrels) and 442(65 and 63mm barrels). So I wonder what the differences are and also why the 442 model would come with 64.5 and 62.5mm barrels? Since that is the sizes that my teacher got and he had a bit argument with the sales man in Paris because those two were supposed to tune to 442. And it is stamped 442 on his upper joint. But in the end he got a 60.5 mm barrel.
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Author: RAB
Date: 2009-11-13 12:21
I have the stock barrel that came with my Buffet,
I have a Moeing 64mm, a Muncy synthetic 65mm and a Buffet Muncy 66mm. I have found over the years of playing in many different events and ensembles having this diverse collection has allowed me to play in tune with the piano that desperately needs tuning, a group that has an A 445 as the standard, an outdoor event in the cold or hot. "serious" clarinet work or pit/show work. or the dreaded marking that spreads terror on the fasces and hearts of clarinet players world wide----"unison with trumpet"
Just what I have and found useful, We all know about opinions and how everyone thinks their "baby" is the prettiest on th e block.
RAB
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Author: Tom Servinsky
Date: 2009-11-15 13:48
I'm completely sold on the Royal Barrel ( Cohler model). My Buffet Prestige stock barrel, as nice as it is, can't match the color and dynamic range the Roayl barrel offers. Plus minor tuning issues in the throat tones and low E are improved.
I've now put my younger students on this barrel without having to have them make the big step up to an R13. It makes a entry level student line instrument into a very nice setup. Costly at $220 US, but well worth the purchase.
Here in Florida I'm using a 67 mm for tuning A440 and seems to do very well for both my A and Bb Prestige Buffets.
Tom
Tom Servinsky
Atlantic Classical Orchestra
tompiano@bellsouth.net
772 260 7110
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Author: DougR
Date: 2009-11-16 04:09
One reason I was asking about the barrels is this:
My R13 Bb came with a 66mm barrel when I bought it new. When I bought my A (used) it came with a "mystery" barrel that sounded like crap on the A, and not much better on my Bb--but it's a Buffet/Moennig barrel, marked "1231 67*" (the * looks like a gouge in the wood, but might be a number, like a 5, since the barrel seems to measure 67.5mm). After I got the A, I got a replacement Buffet/Moennig barrel that is stamped on the back "1131 650".
So does "1231" indicate a barrel for a Bb instrument, and "1131" a barrel for an A? (I've heard/read somewhere that the tapers and measurements are different for Bb barrels than for A barrels, but from all the posts here it doesn't sound that way, since nobody's mentioned it yet as a variable.)
thanks for the posts, folks, your responses have been very illuminating!
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