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Author: ShazamaPajama
Date: 2009-10-21 05:56
so.. on wwbw.com it says, "The R13 is suitable for all types of musician, symphony or chamber music, soloists, teachers, those in marching bands, students and amateurs."
would anyone really use an R-13 for marching band??
i dont even take mine out outside.
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Author: GBK
Date: 2009-10-21 06:02
ShazamaPajama wrote:
> would anyone really use an R-13 for marching band??
The United States military.
Your tax dollars at work ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif)
...GBK
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2009-10-21 10:26
GBK wrote:
> The United States military.
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> Your tax dollars at work
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> ...GBK
And, BTW, myself, my army issued R13 prestige, R13 Greenline, my yamaha 650 that I have waiting for me when i return from Iraq, and my tax free pay for this year IN Iraq thank you and your tax dollars. 
Alexi
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Author: kdk
Date: 2009-10-21 11:06
They've upgraded!. When I was in the Army Field Band ('69-'72) standard issue was Selmer Centered-Tone. Most of us used our own instruments (but the Field Band rarely marched - and when we did it was in places like Disney World or St.Thomas).
Karl
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2009-10-21 11:56
Going from Selmer to Buffet is an "upgrade?" :-)
.......................Paul Aviles
...................... (who uses all pro-horns marching)
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2009-10-21 20:57
David,
False. Sometimes they get donated to local schools or sold at auctions. I wish we were able to keep it as a momento. It'd be kinda cool to leave the army with the last instrument that got me through it. But I also think they should let us keep the rifles we use too.....but nope!
Alexi
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Author: Bluesparkle
Date: 2009-10-22 01:07
Used my R13 for one year of college marching band. It survived. To this day, it has no cracks. Just replaced the pads after its first 25 years of service.
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Author: Ryan K
Date: 2009-10-22 02:49
You make the Army Band's sound so attractive sfalexi. Quite Envious.
sfalexi wrote:
> David,
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>And, BTW, myself, my army issued R13 prestige, R13 Greenline, my yamaha >650 that I have waiting for me when i return from Iraq, and my tax free pay for >this year IN Iraq thank you and your tax dollars.
>
> Alexi
Ryan Karr
Dickinson College
Carlisle, PA
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Author: ned
Date: 2009-10-22 07:56
sfalexi says: ''But I also think they should let us keep the rifles we use too.....but nope!''
!! - you're not serious surely?
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2009-10-22 08:19
Ryan,
Military bands aren't without without their drawbacks (I'm currently typing this in Baghdad with a rifle next to my bed and 4 hours away from an additional duty of cleaning and maintaining a fitness center), but IMO, for my lifestyle, the goods outweigh the bads.
Ned,
I am serious. I've pondered having a weapon in the house for my future wife's protection when I'm away, and I'm certainly more than comfortable with the M4 rifle I'm issued. Comfortable enough to teach her correctly how to operate one. But I can't keep it. Sigh. Oh well.
Alexi
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Author: ned
Date: 2009-10-22 11:47
sfalexi,
I was issued with an SLR when I was conscripted and sent to SVN. It's 7.62 mm of sheer overwhelming firepower, there's no way something like that, or an M4 should be in the hands of a civilian.
They didn't even allow me to keep my drumsticks from the 4RAR band!
We're generally not allowed to own and keep household guns in Oz................and we're might glad too.......down our way.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2009-10-22 12:34
True, while the ACTUAL M4 should NOT be at home in a civilian's hands (it's illegal since it can fire 3-round burst), they do make a civilian version.
As for the band equipment, I'm not too worried about that stuff. I wish we could keep it, but I'll have SAVED enough money from not having to buy reeds, mouthpieces, instruments, pay for repairs etc., that I will be more than able to justify buying my own instrument when I retire if I desire a specific brand.
Right now I have a Ridenour Lyrique and it's a little backwards. I use my personal Lyrique (hard rubber) for all indoor gigs, concerts, practicing and use the R13 Prestige or Greenline for bad weather outdoor gigs. lol.
Alexi
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Author: Lee
Date: 2009-10-23 04:01
I marched with my R13 all the way through high school and collage and am still using it today. I get the feeling that older R13s (1950s - 1960s) were of a better wood which were not so prone to spliting.
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Author: lrooff
Date: 2009-10-24 05:20
While I wasn't a bandsman in the Army (I was a medic), I did buy some instruments from the Army's Property Disposal Office in Grossauheim in Germany before i got out. These were horns that were damaged or surplus, and they had some very good deals. When I returned home, I had the following instruments: Two Buffet R-13 clarinets, both in need of new corks for the tenons (paid $6 each); a French-made Besson trumpet with a crack in the lead pipe (also $6); a King 4-valve euphonium, silver-plated with an upright bell, that lacked the carrying case ($30); a French horn that needed to have a valve restrung($15); and a nearly-new wood Malerne bass clarinet with absolutely nothing wrong with it (another $30 special). The bad news is that I ended up selling all of them to pay the bills while in college (the GI bill only paid $100 a month back then), but it does give a good idea of what instruments were being used by Army bands at the time.
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Author: DixieSax
Date: 2009-10-24 15:39
Interesting that some of you used R-13s in college marching band. By looking at the ISPs though, I see places like Alabama, Tennessee, etc.
Just try that in places like say Connecticut, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, etc.
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Author: BartHx
Date: 2009-10-24 16:28
I have a pre-WWII Kohlert that was passed down from my brother. He used it for everything until he got a Centered Tone which he also used for everything. I used the Kohlert for marching through high school and college (while not extreme, even in California we marched in temperatures into the low 30s F). With appropriate care, it never gave either of us a problem and is still in excellent condition. Hard rubber and plastic horns were being made then, but there were not enough around that we even had a clue that they existed. Our choices were wood or metal. It's sort of like those of us who still use down sleeping bags. You make it second nature to take care of it properly. Good tools are good tools and will remain good so long as you care for them well. If I were marching now, I honestly don't know whether I would go for plastic or not. I am now using a Selmer C.T., series 9, and series 10 (the Kohlert is still here and well loved) and always seem to be the slowest in packing up at the end of a rehearsal or concert. Good habits are hard to break, too.
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Author: winthropguy
Date: 2009-10-24 18:02
Re. the instruments sold at auction - that could be a great deal for anyone looking for a good instrument. I have a Leblanc Concerto that I love, but wouldn't mind purchasing another as a backup (this after having the Concerto in the shop and playing on an AWFUL loaner). How can I find out more about these auctions?
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2009-10-24 19:11
@winthropguy and others that might be interested in finding those army auctions....
http://www.drms.dla.mil/
It's a LOT of clicking around, but from what I gather, certain posts have the items for auction and you would have to contact those posts to see what items will/are being sold.
On the left side is "Property For Sale to Public". Click around and be ready to decipher and pick out the important parts.
For example:
I did some clicking, and searched for musical instruments in the DRMO locations in TX (I discovered the FSC: 7710, found by looking for an FSC with keyword "musical"), and found a keyboard, 2 pianos, pair of cymbals, a synthesizer, euphonium and a few other things. Now I'm not sure how to bid on them, but it shows the locations, and you can search those specific locations, or click on the location, and it gives you hours and a phone number to inquire about sales. Probably the best way to get information, but that's just a test I pulled up.
Alexi
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