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Author: huff n' puff
Date: 2009-09-07 15:50
Calling all experts.......... have just had a quick look at the new Schreiber in a shop, and it feels good. Noted that the B12 nylon pins have been retained though. Are there any views on the build quality as yet? eg; are the lower pads being fitted with any more care than on the B12s? (although it has been said that the fault lies in the angle of the cups in relation to the toneholes)
The crossover linkage between the upper and lower joints looked better
(more parallel to the body)- in that one could pull out the tenon without losing adjustment.
Is the wrap-around vent key as good an idea as it seems?
Glad to hear any views on this........... H. n' P.
Now editing my post......... If anyone has already read my original question about transferring the vent key...... please completely ignore it, as I have just checked to find that the Schreiber has a totally different mounting , and from what I can find on the Windcraft site, the cost would be prohibitive.
Probably better to build a new wraparound using bits from other clarinets.
Post Edited (2009-09-07 16:27)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-09-07 16:53
What's the problem with the speaker key that you feel the need to change it?
German clarinets have used this wraparound type for yonks, and considering the location of the speaker bush it has more benefits than negatives.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: huff n' puff
Date: 2009-09-08 10:00
Chris........ thanks for your reply.
I imagined that the big advantage of the wrap-around is that it may eliminate one source of gurgling, and that was what attracted me to the idea of moving it. Am I wrong to assume that? Since the speaker tube projects into the bore by so much, I am puzzled as to how water trickling down the bore can block the tube, so does it accumulate by some other means, and will it do so wherever the tube is placed?
Can you throw any light on this?
By the way, the nylon pins that I replaced on my B12 with metal are working a treat.......... in fact I have reset the lower pads and a couple of cork adjustments, and what a difference.... I can whisper over the break effortlessly.
Interesting that this was the reason why the instrument had been dumped in a second hand shop in the first place! The previous owner couldn't play the low notes
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-09-08 11:36
Sorry, I completely misread your post - I assumed you didn't like the wraparound speaker key and planned to have it changed to the usual lever type.
Although the speaker bush is on the top side of the bore on these, it can still collect some condensation (it condenses on the metal), but not as bad as clarinets with it on the underside. I still get some condensation with my Yamaha Oehler system, but not nearly as bad as my Boehms. Same with saxes - I was playing outside in June 2006 on a Selmer SA80II alto and the crook 8ve vent was like a fountain!
The cost to convert the speaker key from a lever key to a wrap-around one isn't economical on a B12 unless you want to carry out your own experiments, but it will probably lower the value of the clarinet due to the amount of filled in holes left by the original keywork. You're probably better off buying a plastic Schreiber instead of having the keywork conversion done to your B12 as there probably won't be much in it.
B12s will play very well provided they're well padded and set up, and make excellent back-up clarinets for playing outdoors. But do make sure you dry the springs if they get wet as they've got blue steel springs that rust.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: huff n' puff
Date: 2009-09-08 14:45
Hi, Chris, and thank you again for your prompt reply.
Yes, you have got it right this time around..............
Obviously the cost would be prohibitive, and taking into account your observations on the condensation problem the project probably would not be worth the effort, and since I am not playing in "precious" situations, then the occasional blow through the existing vent is put-up-withable (to misquote Winston).
I am in general extremely happy with my retuned and modified B12- it was absolutely like new when I bought it - and I suppose that buying a Schreiber would simply be a step sideways if it is essentially the same instrument........ and they are giving away B12s- one in the shops at £69 as I write! Might get it for spares.......
The link between joints on the Schreiber is much better, and this is one thing that I might try to modify on the B12......... the upper part needs to be almost 2mm longer. Might achieve this with a large blob of solder filed to shape!
Regarding playing out in the rain.......... forget it. I would be more concerned about getting my feet wet than the springs.
Thanks again.......... H n' P.
Post Edited (2009-09-08 14:47)
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