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Author: skygardener
Date: 2009-09-06 23:58
I am just wondering where can I find the urtext publications of any or all of the Rose etude books.
If anyone knows of urtext versions of other major etude books, I'd be happy find that, too.
Thanks~
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2009-09-07 03:20
Me too, but I've never heard of anything like this...always just used the Fischer versions in lessons 'cause that's what they had when I was a young'un...
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Author: GBK
Date: 2009-09-07 03:28
Katrina wrote:
> Me too, but I've never heard of anything like this...always
> just used the Fischer versions in lessons 'cause that's what
> they had when I was a young'un...
The old 1913 Carl Fischer version of the Rose 32 is a mess. It has been reprinted so many times that the notes from the original plates (which probably weren't great to begin with) have become blurry, smudged and in some cases almost unreadable. At times, the lines of the staff completely disappear. The poorly thought out spacing and visual layout by today's standards is unacceptable.
The same mistakes and typos have been reprinted for almost 100 years. It is an annoying edition to play out of, to fix, and teach from. It is clearly a case of "you get what you paid for."
If you want to torture yourself and use the older Carl Fischer edition, most of the errors and inconsistancies in notation are painfully obvious and don't need listing. There are too many to count and not worth the effort involved.
However, there is now a newer, corrected Carl Fischer edition (2002) of the Rose 32, edited by Melvin Warner. It is the far better choice than the older version. In fact, there is no comparison between it and the older 1913 version which in my opinion should now be permanently discontinued.
The Hite edition of the Rose 32 is still my favorite, as long as you don't mind his over editing...GBK
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Author: GBK
Date: 2009-09-07 06:44
All of the Rose 32 (with the exception of #22) were taken from the original oboe "48 Etudes by Ferling, Op. 31"
Actually, there are only 3 of the original Ferling Studies that Rose kept in the same key signature when he adapted them for clarinet (Rose #17, #18 and #27)
I've always felt that the exercises from the original Ferling 48 were much more difficult than the Rose adaption when he used 31 of them for clarinet.
The Ferling 48 Studies have more interesting articulation and many more ornamental figures (grace notes, turns, trills, etc...), making them a greater challenge to play correctly. You will also see different notes, different time signatures, and wide skips. The clarinet version of the Rose 32 seem almost sterile by comparison.
I would also strongly suggest purchasing the Marcel Mule (Leduc) version of the Ferling 48. Mule added 12 more studies to the original 48, making a total of 60 exercises.
Mule completed the cycle of keys by adding 2 studies in each of the enharmonic keys of Cb minor, Ab minor, Gb minor, C# major, A# minor and D# minor.
Ab minor? A# minor? Cb minor?
Guaranteed to make you stop in your tracks...GBK
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Author: elmo lewis
Date: 2009-09-08 00:56
I have a French edition of the Rose etudes 21-40 pub. by Editions Constallat from 1946. Compared to the Hite edition, the metronome marks are very different, there are fewer dynamic marks, almost no hairpins, etc. While probably not an Urtext it is much cleaner-looking and uncluttered than the Hite which in my opinion is over-edited.
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2009-09-08 01:07
I have one student who has the Warner edition and I like it ok except that the slow studies do not agree with the Bonade phrasing book!
For my own playing I still am most comfy with the Fischer but I may start requiring students to get other versions if they can.
What about the Cavallini? Does anyone have an opinion there?
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Author: MartyMagnini
Date: 2009-09-08 13:05
I use only the Warner editions now - I think they're the best currently available. Hite is a close second for me, but I agree it's over-edited.
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Author: James Langdell
Date: 2009-09-08 15:18
Since the Ferling 48 Etudes, Opus 31 for oboe is the source of the Rose 32 Etudes, what is the most unembelished, urtexty publication of Ferling's work?
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Author: Alexis
Date: 2009-09-09 10:11
Does the urtext really matter for the Rose etudes?
I assume from the previous post that they aren't written by Rose and in my opinion they aren't the greatest pieces of music either. In my experience, I find they need a lot of interpretation from the performer anyway, so what do a few incorrect slurs matter?
Or have my views been coloured by my presumably 'inauthentic' edition?
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Author: Alexis
Date: 2009-09-09 10:37
Having just read the occasionally vitriolic post on editors I might clarify myself further.
My point with the Rose etudes is that they are rarely performed publically (outside of student performances in at least Australia, and I believe the UK) and are used primarily for pedagogical purposes. Maybe I'm just hopelessly biased against Rose because he falls outside the traditional canon of western composers and therefore I'm discriminating against him because I perceive him to be a composer of lesser quality than Mozart or Chopin (who also wrote studies). I don't think the urtext is necessary when there is very little danger of damaging the man's reputation publically (given he doesn't really have a reputation to damage).
Perhaps this is slightly unethical, but given I only ever use the Rose studies for private use, I don't perceive this to be a problem.
However, if I want to perform Mozart in public, I like to know that I am not misrepresenting the composer to a large group of people. And knowing that in this period, markings were only used to denote something outside the norm, extraneous editorial markings do become a problem (especially if there is no differentiation between these and the original markings).
I'm not going to use this post to illustrate my knowledge (and possibly ignorance) of period performance practice. But I think Mozart needs urtexts more than Rose does.
Post Edited (2009-09-09 11:09)
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