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Author: Alfred
Date: 2009-07-30 04:58
So, I'm about to begin the college application process. I live in North Carolina, and as such, will be applying to several North Carolina schools (barring NC State, which doesn't have a music major program), and, provided I get invited to audition, Oberlin and Peabody. I'd love to go to a conservatory, but I'm also very aware that they're very selective.
So, since I need to start applying to music schools, but can only apply to but so many, I decided "Where better to ask than on the clarinet bulletin board?"
So, I'm asking you all for not only good schools, but good music programs, good clarinet studios, and good teachers. I, mean it'd be great to go to the world's greatest music school, but not if the person I'll be studying with for at least four years is, excuse me, an ass. So, please, if you have links and/or info, I'd be very, very grateful!
Oh, and does anyone know about the Schulich School of Music's undergrad program? I have a nice packet from them, but I'm not sure how they are on undergrad.
Aside: Is anyone here a fan of Muncy Winds on facebook? Apparently, I'm on their page under "happy customers!" Or, you know, at least I, the main user of this account, am. So, if anyone's seen the picture of "Alfred" with Rod, that's me!
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Author: clariknight
Date: 2009-07-30 14:05
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe you have to get "invited" to audition at Oberlin - you just sign up for one. Peabody may be different, but of course Ed P. will know for sure.
How far are you willing to go? If you want to come up north, there are many fine schools in Boston (Boston University, NEC, Boston Conservatory, Longy School). Jonathon Cohler teaches at Longy, NEC and BC; I have never had a lesson with him but have heard him speak and he seems like a very interesting person to at least take a trial lesson with. UMASS Amherst has a good program, Michael Sussman is the teacher there and he is quite good as a teacher and a performer. Then there are the schools in New York, like NYU and of course Julliard. Stanley Drucker teaches at NYU (although he might be retiring) and I'm sure he's got a very good, albeit selective, studio. There are also other schools in NY that I am forgetting. Indiana (where my current teacher studied) has Eli Eban and is also a very big music school. You might also check out the Hartt School of music at the University of Hartford. Definitely consult with your teacher and take trial lessons with teachers at schools you are interested in auditioning at. That way you will have a good idea what they are like and you won't be a stranger to them in the audition room. Good luck with your search!
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Author: bcl1dso
Date: 2009-07-30 14:14
Colburn/USC with Yehuda Gilad is surpassed by none. Definitely can not go wrong there.
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Author: clarinet977
Date: 2009-07-30 14:50
Which of the top universities (approx. top 40 in newsweek ranks) have the best music/clarinet programs for nonmajors and minors?
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Author: brycon
Date: 2009-07-30 15:35
clarinet977 wrote:
> Which of the top universities (approx. top 40 in newsweek
> ranks) have the best music/clarinet programs for nonmajors and
> minors?
Several of the top universities have affiliations with conservatories; Columbia U. and Juilliard for instance. It may be possible to get a degree at one school while studying privately with a teacher at a conservatory.
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Author: llamaboy12
Date: 2009-07-30 15:44
hello alfred! i think one of the most important factors is finding a good teacher in a school that you will be comfortable living in. some places people didnt mention are mannes new school in manhattan, eastman is fantastic, on the east coast theres san francisco conservatory, and theres depaul university with the great larry combs and julia deroche. personally i couldve gone to one of those places, but decided to stay at home in the south and save money at LSU. actually our new cl. professor is robert dilutis, who taught at eastman and plays in the rochester philharmonic. so its not just about which school is the most "prestigious", its also about where you feel the most comfortable.
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Author: reedwizard
Date: 2009-07-30 15:51
Peabody is part of the Johns Hopkins University, the Cleveland Institute is associated with Case Western Reserve University
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Author: Alfred
Date: 2009-07-30 16:27
reedwizard wrote:
>You do not need to be invited to audition at Peabody.
clariknight wrote:
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe you have to get "invited" to audition at Oberlin - you just sign up for one. Peabody may be different, but of course Ed P. will know for sure.
Heh...My last set of instructors greatly misinformed me, apparently.
llamaboy12 wrote:
> so its not just about which school is the most "prestigious", its also about where you feel the most comfortable.
I do understand that; hence the reason I haven't considered Juilliard. I'm considering conservatories because my goal is to get the best music education I can. I'm very well aware that you can get a fantastic education elsewhere, but when I say "best" schools, I don't mean ones that have a name; I mean a variety of things:
"Does this school have a good teacher?"
"Will I enjoy the teacher?"
"Does this school have a good undergrad program?"
"If the school has liberal arts requirements, how good is the program?"
I know that only I'll be able to tell if I enjoy the teacher, but I'd like some schools to write down, conservatory or not. I could give a damn if the school is unknown and in the middle of nowhere if it has a fantastic teacher and a good music program.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2009-07-30 16:55
Hi, this is Ed P, I just retired (resigned) from Peabody effective this coming year as soon as I graduate a few students at the end of this coming school year. I can no longer recommend Peabody to any one. You can read why I retired - resigned on my web page in the Teaching page and read the page on Symphony jobs as well so you have an idea of what to expect as well as school recommendations, non specific. I never heard of any school not allowing you to apply except that a few require that you send in a recording before you are accepted to play a live auditon and those are few. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com
ESP eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: ryanw
Date: 2009-07-31 00:27
Maureen Hurd, Jessica Phillips, and Alan Kay are the clarinet teachers at Mason Gross School of the Arts.
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Author: David Niethamer
Date: 2009-07-31 02:29
Since you are from N Carolina, I'll suggest UNC Chapel Hill.
"Does this school have a good teacher?"
Yes, Donald Oehler. Good clarinet teacher, good musician, real Renaissance man.
"Will I enjoy the teacher?"
I would think so. And he will prepare you well for graduate school and the next steps as a professional.
"Does this school have a good undergrad program?"
Excellent - very challenging to get admitted.
"If the school has liberal arts requirements, how good is the program?"
same as just above.
I'd also look into Kelly Burke at UNCG. Since you live in NC, you could conceivably get a lesson with these teachers to see what you think for yourself.
David
niethamer@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/dbnclar1/index.html
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Author: antaresclar
Date: 2009-07-31 12:08
Hello,
This is Garrick Zoeter here, the clarinet professor at the Shenandoah Conservatory in Winchester, VA. I have a superb clarinet studio of 21 students and growing here. This is definitely a university/conservatory that is on the rise and worth checking out. It sounds like from your criteria that this is an institution that may be what you are looking for. Feel free to contact me if you wish!
All the Best,
Garrick Zoeter
http://www1.su.edu/cf/faculty/_faculty_profiles1.cfm?uid=gzoeter
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Author: slimzim
Date: 2009-08-01 00:36
Since you're from NC, I would also recommend considering Todd Waldecker's studio at Middle Tennessee State University. It's in Murfreesboro, an adorable town about 25 miles southeast of Nashville, and is the premier program for clarinet in Tennessee. I've taught masterclasses there and have been very impressed by the level of the students. Dr. Waldecker is a great teacher and a great guy. Think about it!
http://frank.mtsu.edu/~music/
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Author: Alfred
Date: 2009-08-01 19:42
bill28099 wrote:
>Anthony Taylor at UNC@Greensboro is a great guy, teacher and player.
I actually have met Mr. Taylor twice, as well as the other professors at UNCG. The two times I've sat through his recitals I was impressed.
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I've abandoned Peabody; if Ed, as a faculty member didn't like it, that's discouraging. Oh, and, perhaps a reason I shouldn't have even considered it, I hate Baltimore.
Uhm, I'd heard that Mark Nuccio teaches at the Manhattan School of Music. Is that correct?
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Author: grenadilla428
Date: 2009-08-03 03:12
Ed P -
So sorry to hear that you will no longer be at Peabody! It's frustrating when conditions unfavorably change, to be sure. Will you run a private studio there in Baltimore?
Hang in there and hope the transition goes smoothly.
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Author: HudsonAD
Date: 2009-08-04 03:34
I am in the same boat getting ready for graduate studies!
Anthony Taylor is top-notch if you are looking to stay in NC. I have twice studied with him at the Hot Springs festival, and can speak extremely highly of his musicianship, teaching ability and care for his students. He has gone out of his way repeatedly to help me since my time there. Great guy.
All the schools and teachers mentioned are great. If you're looking for another school in the Southeast, I have to recommend my school as well, The Schwob School of Music at Columbus State University in Georgia, with Dr. Lisa Oberlander.
http://music.colstate.edu/clarinet
Check it out! Good luck!
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Author: Alfred
Date: 2009-08-04 06:40
Oh, Ed, your Symphony Jobs page is a cruel, cruel reality.
My God.
It's funny; there are times when I'm afraid; I get that "What the hell are you doing? Do you know how hard this is!? There are so many people in your state, in your DISTRICT that are better than you" notion buzzing in the back of my mind, and as such, I've often thought of doing something other than music. It's really, really discouraging. Honestly.
But, at least right now anyway, I want to do music because, for me, I just can't see myself doing something else and loving it as much as I will music. I could, if I wanted do (marine) biology, and I'd be fine, but I can't imagine living with the "what if" for the rest of my life. I know that a double major isn't an option for me, and so, well aware of the risks, I'm still going to try.
And besides, at this point, I haven't even learned what's out there for music; admittedly I really only know composition, orchestra, wind band, education, repair, conducting.
So, if that tangent means anything, it's that I'm well aware of how hard it can and will be to make it as a musician, but I'm sure as hell willing to give it a try, because it's a matter of it personally not making sense to do otherwise.
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