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Author: alanporter
Date: 2009-07-06 20:24
I have a C clarinet made by E.Reidl. It has eleven keys and no rings.
Does anyone know where I can find a fingering chart for it ? Thanks.
Alan
tiaroa@shaw.ca
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2009-07-06 20:32
Could it be E[rnst] or E[duard] Riedl? In that case it may be a from one of the countless Graslitz / Kraslice manufacturers (eg Keilwerth, Kohlert) of which many were merged into Amati Kraslice.
Pictures?
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Ben
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Author: chris moffatt
Date: 2009-07-12 14:58
Did either Riedl make copies of old clarinets? This instrument, if it is not a relatively modern reproduction, would probably date to the first half of the 19C. Given it only has 11 keys and no rings it isn't technically correct to call it a simple system is it? I'd opine that it predates the Albert improvements to the Muller. A picture or two would be very interesting.
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Author: alanporter
Date: 2009-07-12 16:44
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Thank you for your interest , Gentlemen. The clarinet is 21 3/4 inches long from tip of mouthpiece to end of bell. The mpc is a replacement Woodwind Co Imperial 1M, with cork tenon. The clarinet has thread-wrapped tenons.
The upper joint has a faint inscription "E.Riedl, Graslitzb".
Due to it's uncertain age, I wouldn't know whether to try and sell it in a music shop or antique shop. What do you think ? Pictures attached.
Thanks
Alan
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Author: chris moffatt
Date: 2009-07-13 00:39
I think, but can't prove it, that this is a 20C copy of an early 19C design which would probably have been pre 1840. The only reason I have for thinking that it's 20C is the design of the sliver key on the upper joint (19C instruments generally had more substantial keys at this place) and the fact that the keys themselves look fairly modern. The key design apart from the sliver doesn't give me any indications of age. The lined tone holes is a feature of some 19C instruments. The keys are of a design that was then current along with salt-spoons and other designs but they (to me) have a fairly modern look to them. Since it says Graslitz we can assume it dates to a little after the end of WW II (1946ish) or earlier. I haven't yet found a fingering chart for this instrument, I'll keep looking. It is definitely (I should opine) one of the two E.Riedls of Graslitz. Can't tell which one right now.
I don't know how EUCHMI are at answering questions but they know a lot about clarinets....just google EUCHMI
Ben/tictactux: any more thoughts?
where's Norbert the Parrot when we need him? I bet he'd know this!
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Author: chris moffatt
Date: 2009-07-16 21:02
well I have searched hi & lo for a fingering chart but cannot find one. It may be there just isn't one that has been published. The Cambridge Companion indicates that frequently back in the 19C players had to figure out their own charts. Good luck with that. The Galpin society in the UK did publish a set of fingering charts for early clarinets about 25 years ago (Galpin journal #37). The article was by Dr Albert Rice, until recently (perhaps still is, although the Fiske collection is moving to the Musical Instrument Museum in Phoenix, AZ opening in 2010) the curator of the Fiske Museum. He also has a website and does appraisals (for a fee naturally so depends on how badly you want to know this stuff). He's at http://www.musical-instrument-appraisals.com/index.html
let us know if you find anything more. cheers.
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Author: alanporter
Date: 2009-07-17 23:45
Chris, many thanks for the effort you have put into this. Perhaps, as you say, no fingering chart was ever published for this horn.
Alan
tiaroa@shaw.ca
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Author: fuzzystradjazz
Date: 2009-07-20 07:25
I'm not sure if you'll find a fingering chart for this (and I'll do some digging to see what I can find), but if you do, I can bet the drawing will show a HUGE right hand pinky finger!! 
That has to be some trick to get that hole covered!! <grin>
Nice find though - nice looking instrument!
Fuzzy
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2009-07-20 14:49
Hi Alan - I have been following your thread, having some interest in the oldies. Will compare my remaining one with your pics for similarities, and will look/read in Al Rice's book "---Classical Clarinet ---" for Reidl and 11 keyed cls and in-laid tone holes. I had [given to Al's Fiske museum , Claremont CA] both a flute and a cl with metal toneholes, which may help date yours. If you can find these ref's, it may help, perhaps to key developments and fingerings. Luck, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: lrooff
Date: 2009-07-27 22:10
I would agree with Chris about the age of this horn. Some of the details just look too new to be 19th C. It does look like it'd be a hoot to play, though. Makes my Simple System instrument look complicated...
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Author: alanporter
Date: 2009-07-28 02:07
Thank you all for your responses. My difficulty with the clarinet is the reeds.
The mouthpiece is very small, smaller than the eeffer. so I have to saw a bit off the butt end and then clip the tip. scrape and sand the rest and hope that it will play. It does.....sort of.
Alan.
tiaroa@shaw.ca
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