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Author: johnniegoldfish
Date: 2009-06-16 14:32
Good day to all,
When eighth notes have a dot over them as in staccato, but are also combined with a slur line, how is that played?
Post Edited (2009-06-17 14:35)
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2009-06-16 17:35
This is often an ambiguous notation. I usually interpret it to mean lightly tongued, neither short nor long, almost as if there were no mark at all. The idea is that it should be articulated but not too short. Sometimes it is difficult to know what the composer really wants. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: Katrina
Date: 2009-06-16 17:37
I do what Ed describes...I call it "legato tonguing" which phrase I got from some teacher or another a long time ago...
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Author: EEBaum
Date: 2009-06-16 18:24
Depends on who's writing it. It is a very definite articulation when written for strings, called portato iirc. If the piece is a string transcription, or written by someone who does a lot of string writing, that could be what they mean. I still say it's anyone's guess what to do with it, as Ed suggests.
-Alex
www.mostlydifferent.com
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Author: mrn
Date: 2009-06-16 18:39
One way to interpret these legato-staccato marks that I've seen others do and have done myself from time to time is to treat them as being somewhat bell-like, in that they start with the release of tongue, but unlike staccato notes which are often played "clipped" (so they end with tongue), they are ended "with air" so that a somewhat decaying air stream tapers each note off so that each note continues to "ring" until the start of the next note, but each beginning of a note is definite.
Obviously, as Ed said it all depends on context, but I have heard this kind of articulation played this way before in a place where it sounded correct (in the 1st mvt. of the 2nd Brahms Sonata, for example).
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Author: johnniegoldfish
Date: 2009-06-17 14:37
Thanks everyone for your thoughtful replies. Neither google nor wiki had helped. The hills are alive.
Enjoy
Johnnie
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Author: johng ★2017
Date: 2009-06-17 20:57
I may be wrong about this, but I like to tell my students that string players will play these using one up or down bow with very slight stops as the bow continues to move. It is easy to demonstrate with an imaginary bow the difference between a full stop and bow direction change, and this type of movement.
Maybe someone with more than one semester on violin can clue me in if I am right or not. Anyway, it seems to make sense to the students.
John Gibson, Founder of JB Linear Music, www.music4woodwinds.com
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2009-06-17 21:07
If it's not a phrase line, then the staccato is light, a "thaggado" so to speak. "dha dha" rather than "ta! ta!"
Now if you ask me where the difference would be with "blank" eighths, duh, beats me. Maybe it's articulated but not especially separated (or stopped) from the preceding note.
I usually interpret it as a phrase line (no breathing! no tempo changes! one swoosh!) with light tongue.
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Ben
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Author: Brenda ★2017
Date: 2009-06-18 12:02
There's a big difference between a violinist's interpretation of this notation and a clarinet player. I found this out when playing the violin part of a Schubert Trio on the C clarinet. A violinist friend came to coach us since the Trio is part of her repertoire, and when she heard me play it with a clarinetist's interpretation she told me what it meant to a violinist. She told me that for a violin player, the dotted notes meant for the notes to be definitely separated and accented, but the slur mark indicates that the bow should be used in only one direction while playing the notes. So in order to play it right, I had to remove the slur in my part so that my clarinet player's brain wouldn't see the slur and keep legato tonguing it.
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2009-06-18 12:30
Thanks Brenda for the clarification.
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I'd think that a "whack the arranger!" thread is in order... ![[tongue]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie6.gif)
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Ben
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Author: BobD
Date: 2009-06-19 22:16
You have a good point there, Ben. I wonder how many "Band" arrangers consider all that's involved in moving violin parts to clarinet.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Neal Raskin
Date: 2009-06-20 00:18
This is how I interpret it:
-- = how to articulate
. = length of the note
So, I interpret it similar to how Ed described it above.
Neal
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2009-06-20 12:00
Brenda wrote,
>>She told me that for a violin player, the dotted notes meant for the notes to be definitely separated and accented, but the slur mark indicates that the bow should be used in only one direction while playing the notes.>>
I asked my violin-playing husband about this marking and he gave the same answer. I'm only an amateur and did not get advice from a professional clarinet player or teacher about this, but fwiw.... The way I've been playing this type of phrase, to try to imitate that subtle hesitation of the violin bow, is to stop the note by touching the back of my tongue to the roof of my mouth, instead of tonguing on the reed.
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
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