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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2009-06-06 22:42
In practicing Bela Kovacs Hommage a J.S. Bach I find the chromatic runs non Bach like. They occur on the last page , second line from the top ...triplet 16ths. Is this something that would be idiomatic to Bach? I'm not basing my findings on anything other than my ear. What do you think?
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2009-06-06 23:12
Arnoldstang,
Bach was extremely chromatic, the harpsicord cadenza comes to mind from Brandenburg No. 5.
I quite like them in the Homages, I don't think there meant to be carbon copies of the composers but Kovacs interpretation of each particular composer's style.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2009-06-07 03:05
I'll check out the Brandenburg. Bach may have been extremely chromatic but I'm specifically talking about utilizing the chromatic scale. In looking at the two part inventions (one score I do have) there is one part of a chromatic scale in #6.... it isn't quick like the Kovacs. I'll look around for more Bach... I certainly have the flute sonatas...nothing there I'm pretty sure.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-06-07 09:33
Bach (and other Baroque composers) would not have used chromatic runs as the later Classical composers would have done - he may have used some small chromatic runs over a 4th or 5th at the most, but nothing over an 8ve and definitely not two or more 8ve chromatic runs as is common from the Classical era onwards.
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Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2009-06-07 14:49
Have you ever heard "The Chromatic Fantasy"? It's originally for keyboard but there is, if it's still in print, an arrangement for clarinet and probably for other instruments as well. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: oliver sudden
Date: 2009-06-07 17:33
As Chris P says, big chromatic runs are very much not a Baroque thing - in the Baroque in general there's plenty of chromatic music but it's a matter of substance rather than of ornament.
Check out a soprano aria from the St John Passion: Ich folge dir gleichfalls mit freudigen Schritten. There are a couple of quite hair-raising chromatic moments for the singer but only over quite a small interval. Less is more!
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2009-06-07 23:30
The question here is a specific chromatic run in Bela Kovacs...Hommage. Is this idiomatic? To me it doesn't seem to be. Can someone suggest an alternative?
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2009-06-08 15:18
I'm unfamiliar with the Bela Kovacs piece, but anyone familiar with Bach's splendid Chromatic Fantasy and Fugue in D minor, S. 903, will enjoy quite a bit of latitude. That keyboard piece (usually played on harpsichord) is somewhat of a vexed question, since there are 17 different manuscript versions -- and I do mean different! Bach kept messing around with it. But no matter what the edition, it's wild (and wildly exciting) writing. In fact, it's downright lurid. (Cue the mad scientists, mass murderers and vampire kings.) Though I think anyone would recognize it right away as Baroque music, it's not typical of the Baroque period. It's full of long runs and chromatic arpeggios.
Lelia
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Author: oliver sudden
Date: 2009-06-08 22:35
I don't know the chromatic run you're talking about in the Kovacs either I'm afraid. For what it's worth, though, the kind of 'space-filling' I suspect you're getting at might have been more characteristically done in the Baroque by diatonic runs or passage-work...
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