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Author: soybean
Date: 2009-04-24 19:42
In your opinion, which is the best non-inverted (traditional) clarinet ligature. Maybe i'm too old fashioned, but i prefer the non-inverted type… even on saxophone.
Does Rovner make one like that?
~Dan
(Leblanc Bliss, Buffet R13 key of A, Yamaha 250 Bb)
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2009-04-24 20:35
Recently, I have been following the lead of Reg Kell, as reportedly did B Goodman, using the "standard" 2-band with cut-outs" lig, turned 90 degrees so that only 2 horizontal bands contact the reed, with good success. I believe [some?] M Lurie ligs do this in an inverted assenbly , which I liked for my bass cl glass mp. Others, post your favorites. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: arundo
Date: 2009-04-24 21:10
Soybean:
It's expensive, but of the "traditionals" I've tried, I prefer Van Doren's Optimum. But I use Van Doren's leather, which is turned the other way. They are both excellent ligatures. If you don't have the cash - don't worry about it.
mark dickman
7738565490
markdickman82@hotmail.com
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2009-04-24 21:54
I've got a couple of Bonade's that work well.
Don, I also have two Mitchell Lurie's that work just about like that. They play great but are somewhat "inverted."
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2009-04-25 00:36
Both Bonades also Hank, Luybens, a Gigli [dark?], a couple of old Sel? pressure plates., some "leathers" which I prefer on "backwards" [like Bonades??], a Duke's [Ellington?] mixture, whatever Mood I'm in, I guess. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Ed
Date: 2009-04-25 01:47
The old Penzel Muellers are quite good if you can find one. Front Bonades are very good.
Post Edited (2009-04-25 11:35)
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2009-04-25 01:48
Don,
You are very right. I forgot about the Luyben. I still have my original with the brass screws and the brass screw inserts. But it was the inverted which was quite amazing for $4 at the time (about 1973 as I recall).
HRL
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Author: USFBassClarinet
Date: 2009-04-25 04:05
Not sure how "traditional" you want...I had a string ligature a friend tied for me I really liked. If I knew what was a better material and learned how to tie them myself I would probably switch to string.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2009-04-25 04:07
The Rovners are great but you have to try all the models to see which one works best for you. Some models can be played either way. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2009-04-25 16:07
Since we have discussed ligatures many times, Searching our archives will give a lot of info/opinions. I have posted quite a few patent numbers, some bearing "famous names" , some with many "References Cited" listings , useful to "would-be" inventors as prior art. Pat # searches may be made by Googlepatents or USPTO databases for those interested in such. A post above mentioned Penzel Mueller, [my first good cl, an F B!] , one of my "pressure-plates" bears P M NY, and Brevete SGDG [French patent info] likely in the 1920's , likely also a US pat. Small world, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2009-04-25 16:48
All rovners can be used inverted or not. Just turn the screw around.
As far as purpose-built ligatures that are not inverted, I'm not sure.
And if you're ever feelin' saucy or wild, check out a Bois ligature or try out a simple strip of velcro.
Alexi
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Author: soybean
Date: 2009-04-25 18:55
Thanks for the great info everyone! I didn't realize the Optimum was a non-inverted type ligature. That is the one I will probably buy unless I find an old Penzel Mueller somewhere.
By the way, i did do a search for non-inverted ligatures before posting this. Most of the previous threads here are concerning inverted ligatures.
~Dan
(Leblanc Bliss, Buffet R13 key of A, Yamaha 250 Bb)
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Author: Ed
Date: 2009-04-25 21:13
Dan- drop me an email, I may have a spare PM ligature around. I'll take a look.
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2009-04-25 22:34
Incidentally, a francois Louis is also an interesting style ligature, not inverted, and works very well. But it's not exactly your standard screw-type either.
Alexi
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Author: Chris Hill
Date: 2009-04-25 22:38
Ed,
Could you please post a picture of a Penzel Muller ligature if you find one? I'd like to see and learn.
Chris
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2009-04-26 13:20
Out of an [over]abundance of lig curiousity, I made a GooglePatent search for Clarinet Ligature France. It turned up 2 Chiron inventions which may have been the start of the "pressure plate", being developed into my P M and a Selmer [tightened by a single thumb-screw, have seen this pat.!], early 1900's, US 1,575,621 in particular. Also 2 early VanDorens were retrieved. Anyone interested ?? Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Roger Aldridge
Date: 2009-04-26 15:56
Hi Dan,
I'm a big fan of the Vandoren Klassik string ligature on Bb clarinet. I prefer it to any metal or fabric ligatures I've tried over the years. The Optimum (with plate #1..Bonade style) is fantastic for me on bass clarinet and tenor saxophone. But, for whatever reason, it did not work as well for me on Bb clarinet.
Just recently, I purchased a Luyben ligature for my back up clarinet and I am very impressed with it. It works every bit as well as more expensive ligs I've tried. I posted a rave review about it on the SOTW forum. However, I still prefer the Klassik on my performance clarinet set up.
I've never gotten along with Rovners. Sadly, every one of them muffled my sound.
Good luck!
Roger
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Author: Ebclarinet1
Date: 2009-04-26 20:43
One of my friends let me try his VanDoren Optimum and I was so impressed that I bought them for my whole clarinet family (Eb, Bb, alto/ basset, and bass; they don't make one for contra alto). They give that PING to the sound that I like. If you haven't tried them do. I had used Rovner's up to that point and I use that on the contra alto.
Eefer guy
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