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Author: clarinetwoman
Date: 2009-04-14 18:58
Brahms 3 doesn't have a tempo on the part, so I was wondering if any of you have any suggestions as far as what tempo you take the first movement.
If you could comment on tempo for any of the "Big" Excerpts" it would be appreciated. eg.......Pines of Rome, Shotakovich 9 and the Bartered Bride. Thanks
Clarinetwoman
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2009-04-15 01:28
Clarinetwomen,
The tempo for the first movement of Brahms 3rd Symphony is marked Allegro con brio. The second is, Andante, the third Poco Allegretto and the last movement is Allegro.
I hope that helps
Peter Cigleris
Post Edited (2009-04-15 01:29)
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2009-04-15 02:17
The suggestion of getting recordings is the best idea. You need to know who they fit into the orchestra. You could also get the Working Clarinetists by Peter Hancock pub. by Roncorp. He give good suggestions and tempo markings, very few mistakes. I highly recommend it. Look at my website, many good articles. ESP http://eddiesclarinet.com
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Author: mrn
Date: 2009-04-15 04:43
I have a question about audition excerpts and tempos. For audition purposes, on technical excerpts (in other words, ones which obviously require fast finger work), is it better to play these as fast as possible (so as to show what you are capable of in a technical sense) or to try to choose a tempo that is more along the lines of how you would expect the piece to be played in a performance (thus showing more of your interpretive skill and judgment but perhaps less of your technical abilities)?
The reason why I ask this is that I noticed that some of conservatory students/grads. who auditioned for the YouTube Symphony (I auditioned as an amateur) seemed to me to really push the tempo quite a bit on some of the technical excerpts (the fast sextuplet excerpt from Scheherazade is really what I'm thinking of) compared to what I was used to hearing (the Fritz Reiner/CSO recording of Scheherazade mvt. IV doesn't go that fast, for instance). I was just curious to see if they knew something I don't about this sort of thing. Or maybe I'm just used to hearing relatively "slow" recordings of this piece.
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Author: clarinetwoman
Date: 2009-04-15 15:43
I understand what you all are saying, but I just wanted to get an idea of what metronome marking has been suggested by your teachers........
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Author: mrn
Date: 2009-04-16 00:26
Come to think of it, I think Ed basically answered my question before I asked it--you go with what makes musical sense (which is what should be on a good recording).
clarinetwoman wrote:
> I understand what you all are saying, but I just wanted to get
> an idea of what metronome marking has been suggested by your
> teachers........
Well, for Shostakovich's 9, Rudolf Barshai (I clocked him with a metronome) takes mvt. 2 at quarter note = 180, mvt. 3 at dotted quarter = 120. Barshai was a friend of and collaborator with Shostakovich, and his boxed set of the complete symphonies of Shostakovich (which is what I own--I'm a bit of a DSCH fanatic) are quite highly regarded--they've even been called "definitive."
I realize Barshai is not a clarinet teacher, but I think he's really a better source for this sort of thing. Tempo is a musical consideration, not a clarinet-specific technical issue, so I'd be much more inclined to trust someone's opinion based on their knowledge of the music rather than their clarinet playing or teaching.
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