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Author: Molloy
Date: 2009-03-14 16:39
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It's a combination Bb/C trill key that's articulated by the rings. The trill key opens the side C tonehole and the Bb tonehole between LH2 and LH3, and raises the rings. LH3 closes Bb and LH2 closes C. (The other two trills are throat Bb and B.)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-03-14 23:26
That's pretty much like the Barret system, the Barret system has a single side key for both lower register Eb and F and upper Bb and C - this one has the Eb/Bb vent on the front and the F/C vent round the side.
xxo|ooo is D/A and xoo|ooo is E/B, but use the side key with these fingerings and they become Eb/Bb and F/C. And holding the side key down will give Db-Eb/Ab-Bb trill while playing Db/Ab and trilling LH3 while keeping the side key held down (xx~C#/G#|Side key ooo) and Eb-F/Bb-C trills by trilling LH2 while holding the side key down (x~o|Side key ooo).
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2009-03-15 14:05)
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2009-03-15 00:12
Hi Molloy, I've seen these overlapping trill keys on several of the "late Albert System" cls, prob up to the 1920's, but had never seen an Albert UJ lower tenon with the C#/G# matching tonehole [for the keys on the LJ],. It is/was common for the articulated keywork for Full and "partial" Full Boehm cls, popular in the early 1900's. I'd suggest you post your pics on the Yahoo Early Clarinet site, to get expert opinions. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-03-15 10:27
Don, on Clinton system clarinets the C#/G# tonehole has been drilled in its proper place and of a larger diameter than on standard 17/6 Boehms (which usually have a small tonehole set higher up the joint), so they've made the top joint much longer at the middle tenon end and the lower joint shorter at the socket end, so the tonehole for C/G (RH finger 1) goes through both the tenon and socket like the C#/G# tonehole on full Boehms (and others with articulated G#, and the Buffet Eb clarinets that have the divided body joints) and has a projecting lug soldered to the socket ring to be sure the holes line up correctly (provided the ring remains tight!). Some Clinton systems even had the middle tenon and socket reversed, so the top joint had the socket and the lower joint had the tenon, and on these ones the C#/G# tonehole went through the tenon.
More detailed photos of a Boosey&Co. Clinton system can be found on Steve Sklar's site: http://www.clarinetperfection.com/clsnBH.htm
The RH2 fingerplate on this clarinet is a replacement, but would have originally had an extension plate soldered to the top side to reduce the stretch between RH fingers 1 and 2.
The design of the Barret action on Molloy's clarinet is a bit excessive with the F/C vent round to the side as that adds two more pillars and extra linkages to the mechanism instead of mounting the F/C vent pad cup directly onto the same key barrel connected to the ring for LH2 with the F/C tonehole on the top side (between LH fingers 1 and 2 like the Boosey&Co. in the link), and would be far less likely to collect condensation than a tonehole on the side.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2009-03-15 18:44)
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2009-03-15 14:59
Tks, Chris, while I've seen pics [only] of Clinton cls, the thot didn't occur to me, just considered the turn-of-century Alberts and Boehms. Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Molloy
Date: 2009-03-15 16:04
Attachment: Photo 445.jpg (81k)
Thanks to all respondents. Thanks especially, Chris, for the link to the pictures of the Boosey with essentially the same upper joint configuration and the info about the oboe connection.
Here is a picture of the two joints, for those interested. This is a Selmer K-series in A, from ca. 1930.
Post Edited (2009-03-15 16:07)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-03-15 16:27
I thought it was something a bit special seeing how they've got raised toneholes for the left thumb and index finger (I can't tell if they're integral or inserts), but never suspected it to be a Selmer!
It's not a Clinton system as the RH main action is bog-standard simple system on this, though that's not saying there's anything bad about that.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Molloy
Date: 2009-03-15 18:08
The left index tonehole is integral, the thumb tonehole is an insert.
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