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Author: P.Panayotov
Date: 2009-03-14 16:24
Hallow everyone. I am a clarinet player from Europe. My B clarinet is Tosca (tuned at 442.We play at 442) with customs barrels 65 and 66 mm. Recently I bought a funny Vandoren M30/13/88 that I really like and I want to play with it but my clarinet is not at tune (low intonation especially in the throat tones.)I am on the road to looking for a good shorter affordable barrel but I do not know haw long and what taper should be. Any suggestions?
Pavlin Panayotov
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Author: rc004e
Date: 2009-03-14 17:25
I play a Tosca with an M30 and for me, I need a 65 mm barrel. The 66 is to long and I play at 440. A friend of mine uses a 64 mm. I use a Moening, but I know that there is something better waiting for me to find it. Good luck.
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Author: P.Panayotov
Date: 2009-03-14 17:51
I have both but I really like the sound of my M30/13. I have tried many M30 for me and my students but this one is the best. Dark "profond" and very free blowing. Merci Ricardo
Pavlin Panayotov
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2009-03-14 22:05
Why don't you take 1mm off your 65mm barrel? It's not a difficult job for a technician. Or see if you can buy a 64mm barrel for the Tosca Bb. The throat notes will be the notes most affected by a shorter barrel, so probably all the intonation problems will be solved by a shorter barrel. I've also got some American mouthpieces tuned at 440Hz and find they work well with 1mm shorter barrels for 442Hz. I've also cut 1mm off a mouthpiece, which does the same thing.
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Author: jsc
Date: 2009-03-14 22:05
How about a Buffet Muncy 65mm? It's one that has been recommended but I play on a Festival.
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Author: LarryBocaner ★2017
Date: 2009-03-14 22:24
The M13 mouthpiece was designed to be a Henri Chedeville clone, with a large chamber. The mismatch between the Henri Chedeville mouthpieces and modern smaller-bore Buffet clarinets is well documented. The late Hans Moennig took it upon himself to doctor clarinets (by severely undercutting throat tone holes) to match the H. Chedeville chamber and bore, rendering them unplayable except with the Cheds. Harold Wright's clarinets were thus altered; when I tried to play his A clarinet with my (then) Kaspar mouthpiece the throat tones were very sharp.
My advice: try something other than a M-series Vandoren. Other model Vandorens or high quality mouthpieces by other makers ought to tune just fine for you. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water!
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Author: Bob Barnhart ★2017
Date: 2009-03-14 22:51
I have played an M30 Series 13 for several years. When I switched from my 35+ year-old R13s (first to Lyriques and then to Yamaha CSGs), I noticed that the M30 had a tendency to play flatter than my M13 Lyre, Fobes CF, or Smith 1+.
After struggling with shorter barrels, a good friend gave me a B40 Lyre, which is now my primary mouthpiece as the intonation is pretty much dead on. I find that it is quite different from the B40, with more resistance than either the M30 or B40, and a denser sound. However, it still blows freely and I find that the sound is perhaps even more to my liking than on the M30, especially when I record myself.
The M30 is now my backup and I use it occasionally for for some chamber music or when I am tired, but I sometimes have to use a barrel that is 1-3 mm shorter than my regular one, depending on the temperature, reed, etc.
I have also found that my approach to embouchure, directing air flow and choice of reeds has improved since playing the B40 Lyre. When i return the M30 now, I find the intonation less of a problem than it was say 9 months ago.
As others have suggested, perhaps one of the non-M13-series facings can help you in a similar way. I found also found the Redwine mouthpieces to be very nice and quite affordable.
Good luck!
Bob Barnhart
Yamaha CSG, VD B40 Lyre, V12 3.5-4.0, Rovner EDII
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Author: Ed
Date: 2009-03-15 03:59
I have found a number of the M series mouthpieces that are a bit flat. I had a student who had an M30 that was low and getting one that was not the 13 series helped.
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Author: Ken Shaw ★2017
Date: 2009-03-15 15:10
According to Guy Chadash, the M40 is pitched higher than the M30. Of course it's a different mouthpiece, and I'm not suggesting that you change, but it would be worthwhile trying out the M40.
Ken Shaw
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