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Author: pete
Date: 2000-10-27 12:20
would anybody agree with this idea that extended technics (i.e. fluttertounging, multiphonics etc.) in 'modern' classical music derive from jazz technics. Any thoughts.
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Author: Lelia
Date: 2000-10-27 12:44
IMHO the jazz clarinetists did pioneer a lot of the extended techniques. I've been listening to a lot of Eric Dolphy lately (sax and bass clarinet). Jazz clarinet players have been less concerned with playing "correctly", since they're so often playing their own music or that of their contemporaries who encourage experimentation and improvisation within the framework of the jazz chart. Someone playing Mozart can't introduce a lot of modern innovations without violating the composer's intent. Contemporary classical composers do seem to be catching up with the jazz players, though. I'd rather not separate jazz and classical music as rigidly as radio playlists encourage us to do.
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Author: Dee
Date: 2000-10-27 12:49
I would just like to add to Lelia's comments that all musical idioms feed upon each other incorporating elements from each other in new and fresh ways. This is nothing new and has probably been going on since the dawn of music. A very fine example is the music of composers such as Bartok, Kodaly, and others who incorporated the rhythms and harmonies of the folk music of their native lands into their compositions. Another fine example is the music of Aaron Copeland. His works sometimes incorporate jazz and blues elements.
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Author: Nate Zeien
Date: 2000-10-27 17:58
Another thing to note, is the use of "extended" techniques even in the older "Chassidc" style of klezmer. The are also some interesting things in Greek and Romanian clarinet playing as well. Some of these style have been around for quite some time. Although a lot of contemporary techniques have been used by jazz musicians, I would not say that these are soley the result of jazz, or that they should be classified as such. It seems that there is more opportunity for experimentation and the use of these techniques in jazz. There are a few "classical", more traditional type pieces out there, but they are far and few between. I know that in the Rehfeldt book there are a few excerpts from pieces that would be considered pretty radical, even by today's standards. It is probably the ideas about music that have kept some of these techniques suppressed for a good deal of time. Compared to Bach's time there is more of an acceptance of new ideas in music. Also, I'm not sure, but I seem to recall something about a few instruments in medieval times using multiphonics. -- Nate Zeien
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