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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2009-02-23 05:48
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Hi
Does any recognize what is the chord sign? It is the one, in the first photo, for the B7 chord, to the right of the 7. In the second photo there is also a B7 at the far aleft and the far right of the photo. There is also a sign there to the right of the 7 which I don't recognize. I'm sure both of these are the same, and I think it also the same as the one in first photo, although written a bit messier.
Maybe this is something very regular but I just can't tell from this hand writing. In case it helps, the person who wrote this is French.
Thanks!
Nitai
Post Edited (2009-02-23 07:37)
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Author: Sean.Perrin
Date: 2009-02-23 06:24
<Clarnibass said:>
In case it helps, the person who wrote this is a French.
</Clarnibass>
Haha... that made me laugh out loud!
I'm not sure about the chord sign, though the above post seems very logical.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2009-02-23 07:08
>> Haha... that made me laugh out loud! <<
OK  Actually I didn't mean to be funny I just thought maybe it was a sign that is common in France.
>> Second photo looks like a 5 with a slash through it <<
Judging from the melody and voices, this makes sense. The melody and voices are different in the first one, and those reasons don't exist there, but I think it's the same sign.
Thanks
Nitai
Post Edited (2009-02-23 07:38)
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2009-02-23 09:51
In the second picture, they look a little like "9". Since there is already a "7", and the chord is both before and after an E major, it would not be surprising that it is a B79 chord. The first picture looks different, but I assume that it is the same.
Another idea is that it is an "S" representing "suspension".
That is my take on it, but it is quite hard to read, so it might be something else.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2009-02-23 11:02
Sorry that I didn't include a photo with more details (like the melody above the chords), but I was a little affraid of copyright. It's definitely not a 9 because i's actually a b5b9 chord from the voices/melodies, so omiting the 5 from the chord makes sense. Sus looks possible from the sign but considering the 5 is not there anyway, the omit5 suggestion makes more sense and I'm pretty sure the sign is exactly that. I guess it's there in case someone doesn't notice the b5 from the voices.
Thanks again
Nitai
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-02-23 11:35
I thought the 5 with the / through it might be shorthand for a flattened 5th as in a m7b5 chord.
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Author: kdk
Date: 2009-02-23 11:46
It's too bad the treble staff above the chord symbols is cut off in both pictures - the notes that are actually written out could help confirm a guess. What I see in the second is to me clearly a slashed 5, and the first picture is similar enough to make me think it's the same thing less clearly written. A slash, I believe, indicates a diminished note (either a perfect or a minor interval that's lowered by a half-step). So a B7(slashed)5 would be B-D#-F-A (the perfect fifth from B-F# is diminished by a half-step). It would be a kind of doubly-dissonant dominant of E (with the F and D# both pulling toward the root E) What are the notes in the written-out harmonies above the symbols?
Karl
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Author: Nessie1
Date: 2009-02-23 12:46
The comment about the writer's being french is not actually as irrelevant as it sounds as the french do tend to form their figures in a rather different way to the way we do in the UK (and, I think, the USA). The tend to write a "1" with a big sweep up to the top, a "6" and "5" slightly squarer than we would and a "9" quite square and with a tail curving round to the left at the bottom. Bearing this in mind, I think that this may well be a 5 with a slash through it. Then again, though, a typical french "7" would have a line across it.
Vanessa.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-02-23 13:58
"Then again, though, a typical french "7" would have a line across it."
Perhaps they don't put the - through the 7 in chord symbols just in case that gets read as a flattened 7th.
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Author: MartyMagnini
Date: 2009-02-23 15:35
One of the classes I teach is AP Music Theory. In figured bass, a slash through a number means to RAISE it. I don't know if that makes any sense at all in this context, but it may be a B augmented chord with a minor 7th. Are there any instances in the music where they indicate an augmented chord with a + sign? If so, that would rule out them using a slash to raise the 5th. Also, figured bass is clearly different from chord symbol notations, so It could well be any of the above explanations - just throwing another idea out there. I have to admit, that as a chord symbol player myself, my first inclination was to take it as a B7b5.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2009-02-24 04:37
>> It's too bad the treble staff above the chord symbols is cut off in both pictures - the notes that are actually written out could help confirm a guess. <<
Maybe you didn't notice in another post that I mentioned that the chord is a B7b5b9 so you don't have to see it So I know what the chord is, and in the context it doesn't matter especially if those tensions are played anyway, except in the melody/voices where they already are. What I didn't know was not the chord, but the sign.
>> What I see in the second is to me clearly a slashed 5 and the first picture is similar enough to make me think it's the same thing less clearly written. A slash, I believe, indicates a diminished note <<
Thanks, it wasn't clear to me what it was. Locally no one ever uses this type of sign (a number with a slash), at least I've never seen it. So this makes the most sense, a b5 chord, so it confirm the obvious.
>> Perhaps they don't put the - through the 7 in chord symbols just in case that gets read as a flattened 7th. <<
I don't know how it's in France, but locally pretty much everyone writes a 7 with the slash in the middle, and no other digit has a slash. For chord symbols, many use this 7 (with slash) but probably some don't. I've never seen the symbol of the digit with a slash through it, but it doesn't matter for 7 because you don't want a 7 just don't write it and if you want a flat 7, then that's what a 7 is already
>> In figured bass, a slash through a number means to RAISE it. I don't know if that makes any sense at all in this context <<
Thanks, I didn't know this. But you're right that this doesn't make sense in this context, since it has a b5 and a nat13 in the voices. This is not a regular jazz song but it's written like that and not like a figured bass.
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Author: Sean.Perrin
Date: 2009-02-25 01:44
>>> The comment about the writer's being french is not actually as irrelevant as it sounds as the french do tend to form their figures in a rather different way to the way we do in the UK (and, I think, the USA).
It's not that it wasn't relevant, quite the contrary. It's just the way it was worded... :P
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-02-25 21:19
Some chord symbols and shorthands I know of are:
7 - minor/flattened 7th (eg. C-E-G-Bb)
∆7 - major 7th (eg. C-E-G-B)
O - diminished 7th (eg. B-D-F-Ab)
Ø - half-diminished 7th (eg. B-D-F-A)
- minor (eg. B- instead of Bm)
+ augmented
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