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Author: George Stalle
Date: 2009-02-16 13:35
I haven't seen any current threads on ligatures, so I thought I'd start a current one. I use a Vandoren Optimum with my M15 and old Buffet R13 (#108XXX) and am quite happy with that setup.
However, in reviewing several threads, I have an idea and perhaps it's not a new one:
Considering the ultimate goal is resonance and a good sound, why are we even using string, plastic or metal on a reed? Has anyone ever considered fashioning two thin strips of bamboo into a ligature? Then you would have wood-on-wood resonance. Someone has to have thought of this material before?
If not, then you can buy one from me as I'm headed over to Pier 1 today to find some cheap Malaysian basket I can destroy. If I super glue the strips onto another ligature that I've cut apart, then perhaps I'll have kitchen variety that will make me a fortune.
Too much time on my hands. However I return to my school band job tomorrow.
George Stalle
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Author: srattle
Date: 2009-02-16 14:09
http://www.ozwinds.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=1488
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2009-02-16 14:32
Yeah, I always wanted to have a rattan ligature. Or one out of (orange, of course) macramé sisal.
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Ben
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Author: Bassie
Date: 2009-02-16 15:16
Wow.
Presumably this is a steamed strip of wood bent into a circle?
And check out the barrels too:
http://www.paraschos.gr/pwsite/barell.htm
Gnarly... :-)
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Author: srattle
Date: 2009-02-16 15:26
I think it's actually a wood composited. Very durable.
I tried it once, it's actually a wonderful ligature, however the price tag is ridiculous!
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Author: George Stalle
Date: 2009-02-16 15:37
Yes, exactly. From what I know about bamboo, or even rattan, is that both are very malleable and could probably be steam formed around an old mouthpiece. Super gluing the rattan strips to the material on, say, a BG or a Rovner, might be the best approach.
Any fellow clarinet scientists like to join me in this project?
Keep dreaming!
George Stalle
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Author: cxgreen48
Date: 2009-02-16 15:57
I have superglued 2 shortened toothpicks to a Rovner Dark so that the toothpicks would be like the parallel rails on a Bonade ligature. After doing this and playing with this ligature, I felt there wasn't much difference (or if any at all) between a regular Rovner Dark and the Rovner Dark + toothpick parallel rails.
There is a metal ligature with wooden stick parallel rails on the Marc Jean ligature. http://www.musiquedemarc.com/en/ligatures.html
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Author: George Stalle
Date: 2009-02-16 18:18
I just cut out two sections of a very dried woven basket, woven from grassy material, not rattan. Very brittle and I could cut it easily with a scissors and slice it as needed with an Exacto knife.
I stuck two strips underneath the "four-dot" plate of my Vandoren Optima ligature (without gluing them on) and it definitely added a little bit of reediness (overtones?) to the sound without detracting from it. It seemed to help the speakability of my very high notes.
Interesting play test, so I'm going to keep experimenting.
George Stalle
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2009-02-16 21:16
When I read "invention". "patent" and related words, I just can't help looking into ?what's new?. The ligature field is very prolific and many patents have been issued. So, I've done a bit of pat investigation/searching, and so far [IMHO] little has been published re: the material to be used to "point" contact the reed, its being assumed ?? to be metal in pats such as Bonade US 2,791,929 and Toof 4,080,866 [horizontal bars] and prob. many others. So, if improvement [utility] could be shown convincingly, future patentability is possible. Marc Jean's lig site mentions "patent", I've not found it [yet?], but it could be a potential reference to be cited. One of my preferred ligs is the Gigliotti plastic which to me is a Bonade type without "cut-outs", perhaps both are similar to G S's idea. . Comments, too much talk? Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: George Stalle
Date: 2009-02-16 21:57
Thanks to Marc Jean who sent me an email today regarding his ligature. I ordered one immediately, only after chatting up various ideas. . .
So, as a result of this thread, here are the three that have emerged: The wood ligature arena consists of
1) The Marc Jean (the Canadian entry)
http://www.musiquedemarc.com
(PS: Marc just custom-made one of his for Greg Smith)
2) The Ishimori (the Japanese entry)
http://www.ishimori-co.com/acce/ws_kodama.html
3) The Paraschos (the Greek entry) http://www.paraschos.gr/pwsite/barellconstruction.htm
4) The Stalle Concept (the US entry)
two rattan loops glued to the top half of a Rovner
RESULTS PENDING!!!!
George Stalle
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Author: Paul Aviles
Date: 2009-02-17 10:21
Dear Tom Piercy,
What is the material binding the top and bottom parts of the Ishimori?
Also, if you don't mind slightly altering an expensive ligature, I believe that a bit of "cross grain" sanding or filing would prevent the slippage.
.........thanks,
....................Paul Aviles
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Author: Marc Jean
Date: 2009-02-17 13:57
Hi Tom,
You won't damage your lig if you simply glue 2 little slices of thin cork on the top part of your lig. Use contact cement glue.
Marc
marc jean
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