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 studies : clarinet and engineering ?
Author: Daniel Bouwmeester 
Date:   2000-10-23 20:22

Hello Everyone,

I have finished high school, and am taking a sabaticall year.

I have studied clarinet for eleven years, and have won national youth contests in Switzerland. I am studying the clarinet at the moment with Steven Kanoff, Thomas Friedli which are both international soloists, and with Philippe Ehinger, a professional jazz clarinetist

I enjoy a lot playing the clarinet and both me and my teachers have thought about me starting a professional carreer in this area.

I have decided not to go into a professional music carreer... for economic reasons.... and am going to start studying naval architecture at the Technology university of Delft in Holland in 2001.

I am nevertheless still willing to get to a professional level at playing the clarinet for my own pleasure... and am considering joining the royal Conservatory in the Hague...

For those who don't know European schools too well :

The royal conservatory in the Hague has a similar prestige and demands as Julliard

And the technicall university in Delft has similar demands as an IV league in a graduate course..

My question is : Has anyone done double studies before ? Especially in schools that demand that kind of work.....

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 RE: studies : clarinet and engineering ?
Author: javier garcia 
Date:   2000-10-23 20:34

Hi Daniel, I'm engineer too and I've had to make the choise between engineering and music some time in my life too. But just before this, I've studied both careers during a year, and it was very, very hard and I finished very, very tired, not to follow a second year on this situation. But finally, I work as an engineer and play the clarinet on a woodwind quintet and octet, and I enjoy a lot!
have a good decision

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 RE: studies : clarinet and engineering ?
Author: Hans de Nijs 
Date:   2000-10-24 06:46

Daniel,

I have finished the conservatory in the Hague 30 years ago and decided not to go professionally but to start the pharmacy study. I'm now industrial pharmacist and enjoy every day playing the clarinet from Es till Bass clarinet.

Good luck in your choice!

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 RE: studies : clarinet and engineering ?
Author: Joris van den Berg 
Date:   2000-10-24 22:04

Hi, I'm from the Netherlands and i can tell you from the 3 technical universities in Holland, Delft is by far the least. The only benifit it has is that is has more specialised studies (like naval architecture, wich the other two don't give). If you're planning to play a lot: Eindhoven (one of the two other technical universities) has as far as I know one truely good orchestra (Philips harmonie). Enschede (the third one) has two university orchestra's (one symphonic and one wind orchestra) furthermore there are several very high level wind bands in Enschede (one extremely good in a small town 2 kilometers apart from Enschede). If you'd want to study clarinet in the Netherlands, I'd prefer Amsterdam. Although Walter Boeykens is a very good teacher (he's the main teacher at The Hague conservatory) he doesn't visit the conservatory that often, so most of the time you get lesson's from replacements. Utrecht is very good at modern music and Maastricht specialised in Wind music. When you would study in Delft and would want to do conservatory as well, i'd consider Rotterdam: it's a very good conservatory and is very close to Delft. (Enschede has a conservatory VERY close to the university, but if you really want to get to be the best, i would't go to Enschede, because that conservatory is being reorganised (read: due to cost the classical music department is in the process of being closed).

Greetings,

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 RE: studies : clarinet and engineering ?
Author: John Muijselaar 
Date:   2000-10-27 09:37

Daniel

I'm an engineer in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science and studied at Eindhoven University of Technology. My brother also studied at Eindhoven University of Technology, and obtained a PhD in chemical engineering
.
Both of us made the choice for engineering above a career in music.
For me it wasn't really that difficult, I considered myself not gifted with enough talent to become a professional clarinet-player. And the economic perspective in computer sciences are so much better than in professional music. I never regretted this choice, now working as IT-management consultant.
And playing clarinet just for fun in various woodwind-ensembles, now shifting from classic into jazz

My brother playing flute - and more talented than me - combined his study in Eindhoven with the Tilburg conservatory and graduate 'staatsexamen' , but only for theory, not the flute playing part. It took him just too much time to practice enough every day. He still plays with the Philips Orchestra (Philips Orkest Vereniging), which is at (semi)-professionel level, in november they will be playing in the Amsterdam Concertgebouw.
Besides the Philips Orchestra there is also the Philips Harmonie, also playing at a (semi) professional level, which will be in need for clarinettist more than the orchestra, for obvious reasons, but I would not like the idea of playing in the PSV-stadion in the rain.

I suggest just get started at Delft University (I'm not getting into any discussion of which of the 3 Technical Universities is the best). I think it will take you too much time to do both studies, especially the first year which will be a lot of work, so first make it to the P (propedeuse)-level, after that you know the study-program and may have more time to do another study as well.

Greetings

John

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 RE: studies : clarinet and engineering ?
Author: Anji 
Date:   2000-10-27 14:00

I know it's not in you're neighborhood, but Rowan University of Glassboro, New Jersey U.S.A. has a brilliant, small engineering school. They have an up and coming Jazz program, and a mediocre (but improving) classical school.

Rowan maintains a 20:1 student:teacher ratio. Classes are taught by the professors, rather than grad students. With a year off, it's worth a few inquiries.

www.rowan.edu

Steve Chin, Ph. D. assistant dean of Rowan engineering

Dennis DiBlasio, K.B.S (killer baritone sax) Rowan Jazz studies.

Naval architecture is a wonderful field of study, with endless possibilities. The nearest American equivalent is Civil engineering.

Also, the University of Cincinnati, Cincinnati, Ohio U.S.A. with it's well established, traditional engineering school (which emphasizes cooperative field study) has the College Conservatory of Music which has graduated luminaries such as Kathleen Battle.

Bon chance

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