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Author: jura
Date: 2009-01-24 12:44
The ring on a horn very free to turn and rustles.How to solve?
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-01-24 13:34
Take the ring off, clean the inside of the ring and the wood where the ring fits, apply a thin even layer of superglue to the wood and let it dry, then put the ring back on.
If the ring is really loose, put some paper over the socket and tap the ring half way down with a hide, wooden or plastic mallet. Then cut off the excess paper around the outside and the inside of the ring and then tap it all the way down.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: jura
Date: 2009-01-24 13:45
Ring on a horn!!
I cannot remove it. Probably it from lack of humidity.
But the clarnet from pair(A) has no this problem
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-01-24 13:52
Is it the large bell ring? There's nothing you can do if that's loose (and caused by low humidity - all my bell rings are loose on my clarinets in the winter), though a quick remedy is to put it in a plastic bag with a damp piece of cloth.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Grabnerwg
Date: 2009-01-24 14:28
Humidify, Humidify, Humidify........
This is the time of year when I get all kinds of calls about loose rings, binding keys, and cracks. They are all caused by DRYNESS.
Find a way to humidify your house, apartment, or the immediate environment of your clarinet. I keep my clarinets at 45 % humidity all winter. I can't tell you how much that helps.....and I have a lot of clarinets.....
Walter Grabner
www.clarinetxpress.com
new and used Buffet clarinets
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Author: William
Date: 2009-01-24 15:25
"nothing you can do if that's loose" (??) Hmmm, I've had loose bell rings tightened by my repair tech many times. She just puts the bell into a large vise and cranks it tight. When removed, the metal ring is shrunk and once again tight. I agree this is not something you can do at home without this large mechanical device, but I do not agree that it's a "nothing can be done" situation. However, since we installed AprilAire humidity control on our furnace, my rings have not had to be "rung".
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-01-24 15:35
"Hmmm, I've had loose bell rings tightened by my repair tech many times. She just puts the bell into a large vise and cranks it tight. When removed, the metal ring is shrunk and once again tight. I agree this is not something you can do at home without this large mechanical device, but I do not agree that it's a "nothing can be done" situation."
I'd rather have the rings loose during the winter months (the wood swells up again when the heating goes off in spring) than have someone shrink them 'many times' in a vice.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-01-25 16:40
Even though it's raining in the typical British weather manner, humidity indoors is 40% right now.
Come summer (and chances are it'll still be raining), humidity can be up to 70-80% and all my bell rings will be snug.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2009-01-25 20:24
I also had this problem on my bell several years ago and my repair tech was able to fix it. I believe he used heat but I can't swear to it. It was on my Buffet A clarinet and the connection was slightly separated so the ring became loose. I believe he “swedged” it, if that's the correct terminology, forgive me if I’m using the wrong term, In any case he did fix it and I haven't had a problem for over a dozen years. ESP www.peabody.jhu.edu/457
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Author: huff n' puff
Date: 2009-01-26 11:07
Hi........ the idea of putting the bell of a clarinet into a large vise and cranking it tight conjures up a nightmarish vision- or do I just have a vivid imagination?........ H&P
Chris, am I right to think that the bell ring must be spun onto the wood in a lathe, making it non removable?
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Author: Grabnerwg
Date: 2009-01-26 19:18
Ferree's (the company that makes tools and supplies for instrument repairmen) makes such a die, for shrinking the bell ring on to the bell. I have never ordered one, for fear of what would happen if I cranked once too hard.
If you think about it though, some kind of machinery has to do exactly the same thing in the factory, doesn't it?
Walter Grabner
www.clarinetxpress.com
twitter.com/waltergrabner
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-01-26 20:27
You'll see the bell ring being shaped at around 0:20 in this clip http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4gKjDqm4Bqw - the bell rings are pressure fitted, but that's done before the bell is turned to its final shape.
Though some bell rings aren't solid metal and turned like this, but made from sheet metal and crimped on.
If the proper sized collets are used, bell rings can be shrunk to fit with equal pressure all the way round. But hardly anyone in the UK has such tools for shrinking bell rings, so resorting to using a vice to tighten a loose bell ring doesn't sound like a good idea as it only applies pressure to a small area on either side.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: William
Date: 2009-01-26 21:00
Just to ease everyones concerns, when I referred to a "vise", what I meant was a die as described by Walter Grabner. Our repair shop has one and that is what they use when bell rings need to be tightened--or reshrunk (if that is a word). Just a few quick twists and no more loose bell ring. I just assumed every repair shoppe would have one as a piece of regular equipement and "vise" was a poor choice of word.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2009-01-27 02:55
William wrote:
>> I just assumed every repair shoppe would have one as a piece of regular equipement <<
Some repairers (or repair shops) choose not to shrink bell or even socket rings for several reasons that were mentioned in other threads in the past.
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Author: Lelia Loban ★2017
Date: 2009-01-27 13:46
Walter Grabner wrote,
>Ferree's (the company that makes tools and supplies for instrument repairmen) makes such a die, for shrinking the bell ring on to the bell. I have never ordered one, for fear of what would happen if I cranked once too hard.>
When a professional with your fine reputation makes that decision, I think it should serve as a warning to those of us who dabble in do-it-yourselfing! I haven't ordered a ring-shrinker, either, and wouldn't dare mess with one, for fear of cracking the bell.
Lelia
http://www.scoreexchange.com/profiles/Lelia_Loban
To hear the audio, click on the "Scorch Plug-In" box above the score.
Post Edited (2009-01-27 13:48)
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Author: sbrodt54
Date: 2009-01-27 19:24
The device that shrinks the rings on clarinets works very well and in many years of using one I have never damaged anything.
I do support the "humidify" rule though, if I get a clarinet with loose rings or just one ring I will attempt to humidify it first, if that fails to bring the wood back to it's previous shape and size I will shrink the ring(s) to fit properly. If I can get the wood to expand back to where it used to be when the rings were first put on, I'll make sure I talk to the owner about keeping the humidity level and trying to keep the rings from getting loose in the future.
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Author: srattle
Date: 2009-01-28 07:21
I had serious loose ring problems, and after reading thing thread, I put my bell in a zip lock bag with a lightly damp cloth (as was suggested), and now both rings are practically tight.
I would recommend something like that first, it seemed to do the job in just a few hours, maybe the wood will even sound better
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