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Author: huff n' puff
Date: 2009-01-19 10:02
Hi, and can anyone out there shine a light on this one from the junk box?
It is in reasonable condition apart from the moth-eaten corking, and has what I imagine to be an unusually narrow window and quite delicate rails.
Thanks........ H&P
Post Edited (2009-01-19 10:18)
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Author: huff n' puff
Date: 2009-01-19 10:26
Attachment: Kohlert compound.jpg (568k)
Hi, in exasperation..... the system here logged me out before I had time to add the pics....... hope it works this time.............. H&P
EDIT..........
Hey, it worked, and at the high magnification, doesn't the cork look good enough to eat?
Post Edited (2009-01-19 10:35)
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Author: Merlin_Williams
Date: 2009-01-19 12:34
I assume you noticed it's wood, right?
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Author: huff n' puff
Date: 2009-01-19 18:25
Yip....... Looks like rosewood to me, which made me all the more curious about it. Never handled a wooden one, and wondered about turning a barrel to see whether it plays my clari ........ Would it give the ultimate tone qualities?
The narrow window puzzles me, and I wonder whether a standard reed would play well. The rails both have a slight inward curve, and would this mean that one should trim the sides of the reed to match?
There was obviously a time when all mouthpieces were of wood, (or was ivory used?)and I find myself wondering how much work was done with machinery, and how much was hand finishing. Don't know the age of this one, so what machinery would have been available. Clearly the hand-woodworking skills needed would be much more widespread than now, but cutting out that window must have been quite tricky. the wood is very thin above the chamber. (not due to wear).
Was this made for a particular instrument or type of?
What sound was it supposed to make? Was it for German playing style.
The bore is very slightly larger (1/2mm or so) than any of my other Mps.
Looking forward to any info............. H&P.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2009-01-19 21:24
Looks like a "nice old wood ", mp, Search for Kohlert history, I believe V [Victor] was between WW ! and !!, 1920-1936, and also made quite cls [have one] then, HELP, Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Vytas
Date: 2009-01-19 21:29
Vintage V. Kohlert's sons wooden mouthpieces are most likely Lelandais blanks from the 1920's-1930's. I worked on several of these and they turned out excellent. After refacing the bore and the body should be sealed and refinished.
Vytas Krass
Custom clarinet mouthpiece maker
Professional clarinet technician
Former professional clarinet player
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Author: huff n' puff
Date: 2009-01-20 11:17
Thanks, Don and Vytas,
The rails and tip seem good enough....... what treatment would you recommend to preserve the Mp.
I thought it might be older, but at that time there would be pretty good machinery around, but the chamber must surely have been hand finished?
I wonder if there were early versions of high speed routers at that time...... I think dentists would still be using the old Black and Deckers.
Is there a general view about the sound from a wood Mp, and does anyone make them nowadays?............ H&P.
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Author: Tony Beck
Date: 2009-01-20 12:34
I have the twin to that mouthpiece. It came with a Kohlert Bb of late 1920s to early 30s vintage (judging by the markings and keywork). The tip is quite close and it has the longest facing I’ve ever played. Of course, it could have been refaced at some point. Due to the odd size tennon, I haven't played it on any other clarinet. It's not bad on the Kohlert, but takes some getting use to.
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Author: huff n' puff
Date: 2009-01-21 13:28
Hi, Tony........ thanks for your reply...... I will do my best to establish the measurements. The side rails seem to be straight, and flare out for the last 3/4 inch or so, giving the appearance of an overall curve, with the tip being an average width. My first reaction was warping, but I'm sure this is not the case. Is yours like this, and do you play with untrimmed reeds?
Are you aware of any advantage soundwise of wood?
Is the tenon slightly too long for your other clarinets?........... H&P.
I don't think that mine has been refaced.
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