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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2009-01-02 20:41
Youtube... clarinette bambou....le slap Up close look at this technique.
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2009-01-06 15:03
In the saxophone repertoire there is Jungle by Christian Lauba.. There are a few youtube performances of this work. Is there something out there for clarinet?
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Author: allencole
Date: 2009-01-06 17:36
Niclas,
I think that video is probably better instruction than any book could possibly be. I'm pretty intrigued by it.
Saw Lennie Pickett (Tower of Power/SNL band) do this back in the 90's with his avant-garde group. He did it on E-flat clarinet, and did some sustained stuff that sounded almost like a steel guitar. He was so good at this (and on the bass & contrabass clarinets) that it made me wonder of clarinet was his original instrument. Circular breathing rounded out his impressive suite of skills.
Allen Cole
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Author: pelo_ensortijado
Date: 2009-01-06 18:50
now i have watched some videos and read som articles about how to do it. but i still cant. really bugged about this. but i figure i can get it right in a couple of weeks...
thanks!
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2009-01-06 21:15
The video looks so very clear yet......my initial attempts didn't work. I'll have to do some more work. The classical saxophone piece I mentioned far surpasses any of the jazz examples of slap tongue. It can be a very interesting percussive effect.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2009-01-07 04:51
>> The classical saxophone piece I mentioned far surpasses
>> any of the jazz examples of slap tongue. It can be a very
>> interesting percussive effect.
Thanks for posting about that piece, I didn't know it but now I slitened and it's good. Do you (or anyone else) know when it was composed? It reminds me a lot of solo sax improvisations in a style that started some decades ago (60s-70s).
I'm not sure how you can generalize like this about that it "far surpasses any of the jazz examples of slap tongue". What jazz (or other non-classical) examples of slap tongue have you heard? Obviously not all of them.
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2009-01-07 15:23
Claribass, Point taken but I don't have to listen to all the examples to make a generalization. I've been around for some time(I'm getting old) and I haven't heard jazz players exhibit such a wide palate/variety of slap tongue as in the classical sax video I mentioned. My statement did leave out IMHO and "generally speaking" etc. I took a chance but you also have the opportunity to come up with evidence to refute my statement. Respectfully Arnold
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Author: pelo_ensortijado
Date: 2009-01-07 15:47
none of the articles or videos i've read talk about this as i understood.
what part of the tongue is making the vacume on the reed?
and how to do it on a clarinet of which u are using less reed than a sax(inside the mouth)?
all the videos ive seen has been with bigger reed instruments. any one got a video with a Bb clarinet? (except the one with the bamboclar player on Bb clarinet. that one aint helping..)
i still dont understand properly how to make the vacum. anyone who is good at explaining in simple english and to use a very technical/physical approace???(thats how i learn the best)
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Author: MBrad
Date: 2009-01-07 17:12
Try thinking about using your tongue to "cup" the reed--you don't need to apply much pressure (it helps at first if you get a bit of saliva to help you out). Try it with just the reed, no mouthpiece; maybe while you're doing something else, like reading this bulletin board--if you can make a suction on the reed alone it should be easier to get it going when it's set up. Since it is much easier on the larger reeds, if you have a bass clarinet try it on that first.
Make sure that you don't move your tongue forward (towards the clarinet) as you will chip the very tip of the reed. If you're going to practice slap tongue I would discourage using *any* good reeds--you'll also be less inhibited with the strange physical manipulation of the reed if it doesn't matter that it might break.
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2009-01-07 17:19
first ...I can't do it. Second, It does seem like the video uses anchor tongue with the tip of the tongue stationary against the teeth. Is this the way?
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Author: buedsma
Date: 2009-01-07 17:58
see here for clarinet slap tongue execution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h8PoUyL-hk
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Author: MBrad
Date: 2009-01-07 21:35
You can think of it kind of like anchor tonguing (though there are a number of approaches), again just be sure not to slide your tongue the "wrong way" and break the reed. It's a work out for the muscles in the center of the tongue. Your tongue should cup the reed to make a suction, anchor the tip of the tongue, and then pull away. I'm still getting the hang of it myself, but it took awhile to be able to get the effect at all. Keep at it, and I really recommend trying it with *just* the reed first to get used to the mechanics.
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Author: pelo_ensortijado
Date: 2009-01-07 21:46
how to anchortongue then?
i have never needed to use that sort of tongueing so i dont really know?
is it something one should know how to do for certain pieces?
kind of embarressing this...
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2009-01-08 02:58
pelo, Anchor tongue is just keeping the tip of the tongue behing the front lower teeth. With this the tip of tongue obviously doesn't touch the reed.
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2009-01-08 07:05
>> Point taken but I don't have to listen to all the examples to make a generalization.
You can make any generalization you want, but I guess what I meant is that I don't understand why you would WANT to make a generalization. I wouldn't make a generalization like this unless I actually did hear all the examples, which of course is impossible. I'm extremely active in finding new music, especially jazz and improvised, etc. and the more I find the more I learn how much more there to find. There are both old and yound people, musicians even, who are very limited in different types of music they know or understand so age doesn't necessarily mean anything.
I'd still like to know if you (or anyone) know when this piece (Jungle by Christian Lauba) was composed? I couldn't find that from Googling.
If you are interested, I don't mind making some mp3 files of examples to email you. But I wouldn't say they are better or worse than your example, and actually don't like the idea of the flat comparison you did..... So if I do email you examples, it's not to "prove" you anything, it's simply that maybe you will hear more good music that you haven't heard before.
buedsma, thanks for the clip, it's great.
Post Edited (2009-01-08 07:55)
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