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Author: NHClarinetLady23
Date: 2008-12-30 13:18
Hello everyone,
In doing research for program notes, it seems that the Schumann Fantasy Pieces Op. 73 were dedicated to the cellist, Andreas Grabau. I've been reading different sources trying to find out why Schumann would dedicate pieces originally written for clarinet to a cellist. Does anyone have any idea? The group of all of you always seem to have insights that I miss. Thanks in advance for your input!
Best!
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Author: cigleris
Date: 2008-12-30 13:26
Humm, that's a new one, as far as I was aware they had no dedication (probably wrong though). Are you sure it's not the chap who transcribed them for cello? I recall it was a cellist that did the transcription.
Peter Cigleris
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Author: NHClarinetLady23
Date: 2008-12-30 13:42
Nope they originally had the dedication as far as it can be seen from the autograph. I was just wondering why... did he meet Grabau and love his playing, did he love the 'cello?
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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2008-12-30 14:50
NHClarinetLady23 wrote:
>> In doing research for program notes, it seems that the Schumann Fantasy Pieces Op. 73 were dedicated to the cellist, Andreas Grabau....they originally had the dedication as far as it can be seen from the autograph.>>
I only have the photostat of the autograph that's in Paris, where there is no dedication. (There is another manuscript in Zwickau, Schumann's personal copy, but I've never seen that.)
On the other hand, the Henle edition, based on both sources and the first edition, doesn't mention anything about a dedication. Where did you get your information?
Tony
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Author: NHClarinetLady23
Date: 2008-12-30 14:54
Maybe I will see if I can get a phostat or account of Schumann's copy. thank you for your info Tony! I would trust the autograph in Paris above anything I find over here! :-)
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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2008-12-30 15:29
NHClarinetLady23 wrote:
>> Maybe I will see if I can get a phostat or account of Schumann's copy.>>
Let us know if you find out anything. The Henle edition talks about semiquavers in the CLARINET part at the end of movement 3, but I've never seen that version, and it certainly was never printed like that.
>> I would trust the autograph in Paris above anything I find over here! :-)>>
Well, perhaps not in this case: the pieces in that autograph are called "Soireestuecke", and there are significant differences from both the other MS and from the first edition.
BTW, you still don't say where you got your dedication information from.
Tony
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Author: mrn
Date: 2008-12-30 23:13
This is perhaps slightly off-topic, but I figured somebody might find it interesting. I was digging around on iTunes the other day and discovered that there is a recording of the cello version of the Fantasy-Pieces with Francis Poulenc as the pianist (with Pierre Fourniere on cello). Other works performed by the duo on the album include works of Debussy, Stravinsky, and, of course, Poulenc himself.
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Author: David Niethamer
Date: 2008-12-31 00:40
The dedication to Andreas Grabau rang a bell with me, so I looked at my Schirmer edition, edited by Eric Simon (in Masterworks for Clarinet and Piano). It has the dedication to Grabau above the first movement. Simon writes the following:
"The present edition is based on Clara Schumann's edition, published by Breitkopf & Hartel."
Henle's editor refers to a manuscript in the Schumann Haus, in addition to the one in the Library of the Paris Conservatory. Does anyone know if this means there is a *third* manuscript - one Clara would have "edited"?
David
niethamer@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/dbnclar1/index.html
Post Edited (2008-12-31 00:41)
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Author: NHClarinetLady23
Date: 2008-12-31 19:02
WOW! David! Thank you! That would explain why my Schirmer edition has it above the first movement. Neat facts! Thank you so much!!!
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