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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2008-12-19 02:40
Yamaha's entry level "professional" clarinet.
As for what I do, I'm an army musician with the 1st Cavalry Division Band. I have played a few different clarinets over the years, and right now I have issued out to me through the band, an R13 prestige, an R13 Greenline, and now this Yamaha 650 which just came in about a week ago. I also currently own a Tom Ridenour Lyrique. But I won't be doing any major comparisons (probably just a little to the buffets since this is what I've been playing in the band for the past few months), this is mostly just my thoughts on the 650. Also keep in mind that I don't really have any musical training. I'm working on a math major, and I only have the basic musical theory that I received in the army. I just practiced and practiced and was accepted into the army where I finally had the opportunity to take consistent lessons and improve my skill.
I was biased against Yamaha, seeing as the few yamahas I've tried out (two CSVs and one other Custom) have not agreed with me. But I figured, "Hey. it's new, it's free, let's give it a shot." And I'm glad I did. It's the base, entry level to professional clarinets that Yamaha makes.
The key action and adjustment from the factory was superb. No clunkiness, no adjustments needed. No ring keys seated higher or lower than another, all of them flush with the chimneys, and even the throat A/Ab levers work great. Although there isn't even the SLIGHTEST bit of play between the A and Ab (which I prefer just a TINY bit of play), it still isn't screwed down so much that it causes a leak.
As far as how the keys fit, they fit me a lot better than the Buffets. Sometimes I find myself "reaching" to get that left hand B lever, but the Yamaha is a little bit better. Still not perfect how I would like it, but much better.
It has a little resistance. A little more than what I'm used to, but it wasn't stuffy. Just a little resistant. It definitely helps to smooth transitions from note to note. I checked with a tuner and out of the box, with all the joints firmly pressed together, it is in VERY good tune. Everything is within five cents flat/sharp. With one exception. The C# below the staff is VERY sharp. I know this is a compromise note on the clarinet as per it's location, but it is really tough to deal with in certain situations.
When I started playing it, it sounded a little rubbery to me. Almost like a student clarinet, but I think that was me getting used to the backpressure and voicing of the instrument. After a day or two I got used to it and I'm able to sound more like 'myself' on this. It's slightly different than on the buffet, but I like it (dare I say, PREFER it?!)
When playing notes, it seems to really walk that fine line on flexibility of a note. I don't really have to concentrate hard on my embouchure and don't have to worry about it sliding/bending sharp or flat. However after playing around with some glissandos and bends, it still allows me some flexibility to do so if I need it. Not as much as the buffet, but enough that I could get by. I noticed that the altissimo C# and D tend to pop out a little, but it wasn't anything that a little half-holing couldn't take care of.
It seems a little easier for me to hit those extreme altissimo notes (up to double high C is what I'm working on for now), and I think the little resistance/backpressure I'm feeling just helps to voice them a little easier.
Been using it for our christmas concert rehearsals and it's been blending very well with the concert band and sounds very well in tune (with the exception of the altissimo G, which I think I just need to work on finding a good fingering for, and that darned C#). Blends well within the section too (three Buffets, and now three yamahas).
I think it's a very good clarinet and I'm VERY impressed with it. Definitely something I'd buy and be able to work with. Maybe get it worked over by a favorite tech to work out some finer points, but it's definitely something I can work with. I also tried out my colleague's 650 that he was issued and it played just as well (or better!!) than the one I was given. Although I think that's cause the grass always seems to be greener on his side .. .
So I give this clarinet two thumbs up. Definitely worth the look if you're looking for a cheap, professional level horn.
Alexi
PS - I also think it's kinda nifty to play the same brand clarinet as the motorcycle I ride to work in! Sometimes I put it in the topbox and pull a Yamaha clarinet off my Yamaha bike. hehehe. I think I know what my next tattoo will be . . . . .j/k
US Army Japan Band
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Author: Geirskogul
Date: 2008-12-19 05:08
I Have a Yamaha YCL-23 and a 52. Both Excellent. I would recommend Yamaha any day, for price/performance ratio, over Buffet.
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2008-12-19 23:27
I play a Yamaha CS Custom clarinet, my backup tenor is a YTS 475, I have three Yamaha receivers in the house that are used every day, and my surround speaker system is a Yamaha sub-sat system with a 15 inch powered woofer that I have had for a decade. Everything wails.
If Yamaha came out with a computer, I'd probably have one of those. All are trouble-free products with very high standards.
HRL
PS I have a Yamaha E203 keyboard that can run MIDI to my computer.
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Author: Jkelly32562
Date: 2008-12-20 02:54
I wonder how long it will be before Honda starts making instruments?
Jonathan Kelly
jkelly32562@troy.edu
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Author: BobD
Date: 2008-12-20 11:01
I even like my non-wood Yamaha 20....and my sub-woofer....and my keyboard.
I equate Yamaha quality with what JVC was years ago.
Bob Draznik
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2008-12-20 12:56
Draz,
Is one of your drum sets a Yamaha?
HRL
Post Edited (2008-12-23 11:28)
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Author: Geirskogul
Date: 2008-12-21 00:51
> I wonder how long it will be before Honda starts making instruments?
Yamaha started with instruments. Their corporate logo is three tuning forks
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Author: leonardA
Date: 2008-12-22 15:50
Alexi, I remember that a wh ile back you really liked the Lyrique. Where does it stand in your ratings now?
Leonard
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Author: sfalexi
Date: 2008-12-23 20:26
As per the Lyrique. I still love it. It's awesome, and suits MY needs better than a yamaha 650 would. I want a clarinet that plays extremely well and can withstand a variety of environments (being the army of course). And the lyrique is a GREAT overall instrument. I would feel fine playing it anywhere, anytime, any condition.
There are three main reasons/situations where I WOULD definitely choose the yamaha over the the lyrique that would prevent it from my main instrument IF AND ONLY IF my main playing venue would always be indoors in a carefully controlled environment.
1) It'd be easier to repair the yamaha. Only in the sense that pretty much ANY repair shop will accept the yamaha, whereas I've been turned down at two repair shops for the Ridenour cause it's not a recognized brand and they only work on the Top Four and any "off brand" clarinets that THEY stock and sell.
2) It'd be more accepted in mainstream society (for auditions, subbing, etc. etc.)
3) I'm a little worried about what'll happen to the Lyrique line in the future. I've met and spoken with Mr. Ridenour a few times, took a few lessons with him (when I could make the trips), and I don't think he's going anywhere anytime soon. However it seems that if history is any indicator, this might be a line where it has a good time, and then when it changes hands, goes down the tubes. I'm wondering who will pick up (if anyone) the lyrique name and design and will they do a good job keeping it up or will it become a mass marketed CSO. Kinda hard to tell. On the other hand, you can say the same thing about almost any independant maker. Rossi, Stephen Fox, etc. All make their own instruments, but where is it gonna go after they (eventually, not too soon hopefully) pass on? Yamaha has been around for a very long time. It's a strong company which a great background and very largely known reputation and it probably won't be going anywhere soon. Even Buffet has changed hands a few times and if you search the board, people have ideas of the "golden age" of Buffet clarinets depending on where they were being made, by whom, etc. etc.
between the two, (and to be honest I haven't played the lyrique in a while as it's packed for deployment), I'd say the quality of sound is about even. there's a slight difference in tone, and I think I slightly prefer the yamaha, but as far as fit/finish, tuning, blending, etc, they are about equal.
If I was only playing indoors, looking for gigs where brands matter (and even in my limited experience with other clarinetists, Ive seen that brands DO matter, although I don't agree with it), I'd buy the yamaha over the ridenour. But to have the flexibility to play outdoors no matter what the weather, the ease of not having to worry about taking care of the wood, and it really is an outstanding value. Hundreds less than the famous R13 and (IMHO) better sounding. And that's what music is about. The sound.
Alexi
PS - Still waiting for whenever Tom Ridenour releases that puppy with an auxiliary Eb lever. That's the ONE thing I miss from playing the Prestige and my old set of Opus clarinets.
PPS - in order of purchasing, I would definitely recommend the lyrique as the next purchase from a student into the professional level instruments. Then, if you find you are auditioning for a job or school where they might discriminate based on what brand of instrument you play (buffet nazi, leblanc nazi, etc. etc.), start looking for a (insert name brand here) clarinet and when you find the one that's better or at least as good as the lyrique, keep it. Now you have a name brand that is great for whatever venue you needed it, as well as an outstanding backup/outdoor horn.
US Army Japan Band
Post Edited (2008-12-23 20:30)
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