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Author: DanP
Date: 2008-12-05 14:31
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I am trying to seek Information regarding an old Berninger-Wurlitzer clarinet
Date?, Model?, Country of Origin?, Instrument maker?, Key system?
Markings on Upper Joint of instrument>
Berninger Wurlitzer
DRP
No 60 1879
Ausl Patente
Markings on Bell
Christian Reisser
Instr. Fabrik
ULM Donau
Haubt W Chplatz
> I have pictures if needed (you will need to supply email address)
I have contacted Bernd Wurlitzer about the instrument, but he does not think it was produced by H Wurlitzer.
the Clarinet resembles the Boehm system with multiple key work modifications, the instrument has been restored and plays extremely well
Any help is greatly appreciated
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Author: LarryBocaner ★2017
Date: 2008-12-05 14:40
The clarinet appears to be "full Boehm system" 18/7 with low Eb and forked LH Bb/Eb. I wonder if it was produced for the Italian market, where this configuration was popular?
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Author: DanP
Date: 2008-12-05 14:42
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yes the instrument is a full Boehm Bb. Interestingly, there is quite an elaborate "resonance" key linkage on Lower Joint.
Here are some additional photos
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Author: DanP
Date: 2008-12-05 14:56
Thanks for the reply
This book has come up when I first started looking for details about this instrument. My German Is very poor, and I have been unable to "copy" the text to a translating source.
I know Reisser was a maker of brass instruments in the late 1800's but I am perplexed as to why they would mark the upper Joint "Wurlitzer" and give no credit to reisser
Regards
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Author: DanP
Date: 2008-12-05 15:11
Could DRP possibly stand for Deutsche Radio Philharmonie?
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Author: NorbertTheParrot
Date: 2008-12-05 15:19
Are you sure the bell belongs to the instrument?
Are you aware that there have been a number of people called Wurlitzer making clarinets in Germany; all quite separate from the American Wurlitzer company?
I think you should email Reisser Musik. Nothing to lose.
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Author: NorbertTheParrot
Date: 2008-12-05 15:22
DanP asks: "Could DRP possibly stand for Deutsche Radio Philharmonie?"
It's much much much more likely to stand for Deutsches Reichspatent.
We must read the inscription:
DRP
No 60 1879
Ausl Patente
As:
German Imperial Patent
Number 60 1879
Foreign patents
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Author: DanP
Date: 2008-12-05 15:38
I'll send an email to Reisser.
The bell may have been a replacement. It is machined extremely well, and the rings do match those on the instrument.
I know the original purchaser probably paid quite a bit for it over 30 yrs ago during a trip to europe
dp
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Author: DanP
Date: 2008-12-09 01:06
Well the saga continues....
I contacted both H Wurlitzer as well as Reisser music of ULM Germany. Neither of which were able to provide any information regarding this instrument(origins,maker,model,etc)
Only information that I have seen is a listing in the text "Dullat" pertaining to key systems
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where else I might find information regarding this horn.
Regards
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Author: larryb
Date: 2008-12-09 03:13
Another possibility for "DRP" could be "Deutsche Reichspost." The Post was responsible for broadcast radio infrastructure until the Nazi years.
Perhaps there was a radio orchestra ("Rundfunkorchester") whose instruments were owned by the "Deutche Reichspost." Or maybe even a postal orchestra, like the old New York City Housing Authority orchestra.
Pure conjecture, needs further research.
Post Edited (2008-12-09 03:18)
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Author: tictactux ★2017
Date: 2008-12-09 06:09
larryb wrote:
> Another possibility for "DRP" could be "Deutsche Reichspost."
No, it's definitely Deutsches Reichspatent (including the Patent Number).
--
Ben
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Author: NorbertTheParrot
Date: 2008-12-09 08:43
You might try http://www.museum-markneukirchen.de.
I don't know whether they will answer questions. I think they will just direct you to their forum, which is not exactly teeming with activity.
Also, and maybe more promising, there is http://www.klarinette24.de.
If you search on there for Berninger, you find:
E-Mechanik: Clemenz Wurlitzer (Berninger System) - um 1939
... which tells us, I think, that you have been talking to the wrong Wurlitzer: it's not H but C.
"Clemenz" is their mistake, it should be "Clemens". Unfortunately, http://www.clemens-wurlitzer-klarinetten.de is just an advertising site.
Maybe Ben will help you craft a suitable BBoard post in German.
Post Edited (2008-12-09 08:45)
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Author: thomas.b
Date: 2008-12-09 09:56
The Berninger-Wurlitzer clarinet is a collaboration of Hans Berninger (Gewandhaus-Orchester Leipzig) and Clemens Wurlitzer ( Patent Nr. 601379, in 1932).
Features: -low e flat, better intonation bflat', further intonation corrections. and (later) a resonance key ( low e) as nowadays used for Oehler clarinets
(according to Dullat)
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Author: DanP
Date: 2008-12-09 13:31
Wow!
Thanks everyone for the information. This site is truly an asset to the entire clarinet community.
I had been reading the patent number as "1879" but it is actually "1379"
The clarinet has a lot of potential if only i can find the correct mouthpiece.
Regards
Dan
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Author: marshall
Date: 2008-12-09 16:18
Technically...that's not a full boehm clarinet. It doesn't have the alternate Eb/Ab key or the articulated F#/G# trill key between the first and second fingers on the right hand.
Just technicalities though
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