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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-12-02 23:05
Or Vincent's angina/infection, trench mouth and other less than savoury terms such as necrotizing ulcerative gingivitis.
I've just been laid down by a sudden onset of this which flared up over the last few days and now I can hardly speak or eat solid foods - not even soft bread rolls as it's so sore (my lips, tongue, gums, tonsils, throat and lymph nodes are all swollen, ulcerated or painful), though I'm currently on a course of antibiotics (Metronidazole 400g) which should take care of it (fingers crossed).
So right now I can't play a note or even think of doing so for some time to come. Are there any long term effects of this either caused by the condition or the treatment?
Please let me know how you dealt with it if you've experienced it - I'm not asking for any miracle cures as I'm already having treatment, but has it impacted your playing in any way after it's been cured?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Joseph Brenner, Jr.
Date: 2008-12-03 03:49
Chris, be sure to follow your dentist's [doctor's] advice rigorously. As you probably know, it's a bacterial infection. The problem is that it destroys gum tissue which supports your teeth (which support your embouchure). I had it in the fall of 1979, but not so severe a case as you report. It took several years before my gum tissue was fully restored, though my teeth remained stable. My guess is that if you examine your teeth you will not see gum tissue projecting downward between your teeth. Some people require surgery to remove dead gum tissue. I hope that you don't need surgery and recover quickly, but do whatever your doctor advises...whatever! E-mail me if what I have said is not clear.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-12-03 11:54
With something like this and the very nature of it, I am adhering to the doctor's orders like superglue.
I was meant to fly out to the Falklands later on today, but had to drop out at the 11th hour as I don't fancy enduring a long haul flight while feeling rough, I won't be able to play once I get out there and the risk of things becoming worse so far away from home isn't worth the risk.
Looks like the concert I was looking forward to playing in on my return (Bach's Christmas Oratorio) is going to have to be depped out if I'm unable to play for several weeks.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: huff n' puff
Date: 2008-12-03 12:27
Hi, Chris P..........
can't offer anything but sympathy, and that won't achieve much.
Sometimes one needs a few things to distract the mind, so here goes.
I didn't want to open a new post for this, as once it had outlived it's usefulness I did not know if it could simply be deleted instead of clogging up the system.
A long time back I was given a box of assorted clarinet stuff, and I just remembered that it contained a mouthpiece marked:..............
G. Howarth & sons
73 York Street
Bryanston Sq.
London
and has a serial number, 1106.
It is of no possible use to me, as it puts my claries completely out of tune, the bore being 15+ mm or 600 thou diameter. The body is 7.2cm long.
Was this mp made for a wide bore clarinet? Is there any way of knowing what model this would have been made for?
It is in good condition, and I don't know what to do with it.
Get well soon........... H&P
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-12-03 12:43
George Howarth was the other Howarth who's business ran parallel to T.W.Howarth - these mouthpieces could have been made for the 1010 or the Louis Chas Draper clarinets. It's worth trying it out on a 1010 to see how it plays, and contacting Jon Steward at Howarth (London) as he should be able to shed light onto what you have (and the value).
Thanks for the distraction.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: spage
Date: 2008-12-03 14:17
@Chris P. Ouch! I don't have anything to add beyond what's been said already but I do hope it retreats soon.
@huff n' puff - If you do contact Jon Steward and it proves to be suitable for the instruments Chris P suggests then I have a Louis Chas Draper clarinet and would quite possibly be interested if you didn't want it any more (partly depending on what you were quoted for its value :-) ) .
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2008-12-03 16:11
Chris P said: "I'm currently on a course of antibiotics (Metronidazole 400g) which should take care of it (fingers crossed)."
A word of caution.....do NOT drink alcoholic beverages* within 48hrs of taking this medicine....you will regret it if you do!!! The two do not, ah...mix.
I hope you feel better soon!
*even cough medicines and mouthwashes that contain alcohol can set off the violent reaction.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-12-03 16:26
I'm definitely steering well clear of alcohol - I rarely ever drink anyway (as I'm usually driving), so it's not that I'll be missing anything. Both my GP and the chemist stressed the no alcohol rule.
Even if I had gone out to the Falklands (the others should almost be at Brize Norton by now) I'd have had to steer clear of the drink while everyone else got merry.
Not that I want to find out for myself, but what happens to people if antibiotics and alcohol are mixed?
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2008-12-03 16:31)
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2008-12-03 16:48
"Not that I want to find out for myself, but what happens to people if antibiotics and alcohol are mixed?"
The drug is related chemically to the drug Antabuse, which was formerly used to "treat" alcoholism....it provokes a violent series of ill effects including nausea, vomiting, and headaches.
As a surgeon, I used Metronidazole for its activity against certain anaerobic bacteria as well as for the treatment of antiobiotic-induced diarrhea of a particular type. Its original use was as an antiprotozoal (a flagellate), hense its common name of "Flagyl." Naturally, we always warned patients of the potential interaction with alcohol.....something akin, I wager, to a volcano.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
Post Edited (2008-12-03 17:12)
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Author: mrn
Date: 2008-12-03 17:18
Allan wrote:
<<Its original use was as an antiprotozoal flagellate, hense its common name of "Flagyl." Naturally, we always warned patients of the potential interaction with alcohol.....something akin, I wager, to a volcano.>>
Seems like an appropriate name for the drug. It kills flagellate protozoa, but if you take it with alcohol, it subjects YOU to flagellation....
Hope you feel better soon, Chris.
Post Edited (2008-12-03 17:19)
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Author: sbrodt54
Date: 2008-12-03 22:04
Chris,
Sorry to hear about your gingivitis, please take the time and care to get yourself back into top shape once more. The best of luck and get well soon.
Scott
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Author: Hank Lehrer
Date: 2008-12-03 23:24
Hi,
I had this many years ago and was really sick. I think I picked it up at school by playing a student's instrument (dumb things band directors do).
The infection became quite systemic and I was really bed ridden for several days. I can't remember the medication but I do know that a product called Vince (sodium perborate) which is mixed with water really made my gums feel much better.
Here is a link. I do not know if this is available in the UK.
http://www.dentalarticles.com/reader/otc45.htm
HRL
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Author: BobD
Date: 2008-12-04 14:36
Good luck Chris. Can you share your thoughts as to how you think you got this monster?
Bob Draznik
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-12-04 14:42
Thanks for your support, everyone.
I can only assume it may have been down to using a mug that wasn't cleaned properly, although last week was rather hectic playing-wise so maybe stress was also a factor.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: markman
Date: 2009-04-17 08:15
Hello...I read that you have an old G Howarth mouthpiece..yes they are good for old Boosey 1010s.. the were made with a 15.2 bore or atleast a 15.mm bore--only will work on large bore clarinets ....which I play... Im interested if you cant use it..
Thanx
Post Edited (2009-04-17 08:22)
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Author: oliver sudden
Date: 2009-04-17 08:19
Gosh. Strange, the things that reappear from behind the mists of time.
How did it all pan out, Chris? Well, I hope.
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Author: huff n' puff
Date: 2009-04-17 09:28
Hi, markman........... I think that you might be referring to my old Howarth.
I have actually passed it on to "spage", another contributer to this posting - a little less than half way down this page as it is now.
I have not heard from her recently to get an update on how she is getting on with it............ it is quite possible that it not a great improvement on whatever she has been using.
Why not contact her and find out?............... H&P
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Author: chris moffatt
Date: 2009-04-17 11:48
Hi Chris. I'm really sorry to hear about this and, as I have not had the misfortune myself, I can't answer your questions, but get well soon. Maybe an opportunity to review old Monty Python episodes? there's always the uke. orch of GB if you feel really down
cheers
chris m
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Author: spage
Date: 2009-04-17 12:44
@huff n' puff and markman. Oops! Yes. The initlal tryout showed it was just fine for what I wanted - one of the Louis I have. But since then I've not used them much as I've had to concentrate on my 'official' instruments. Not yet tried it on the 1010s I know - their owner's been busy too. It appears to be one of those years...
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2009-04-17 23:46
Chris, my condolences. I'll pray you get over this quickly without any lingering side effects.
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2009-04-18 00:17
Thanks Brenda.
I'm back on form again now and my teeth feel as secure as they did prior to this episode, so clarinet playing shouldn't be a problem anymore. I put all clarinet playing on hold for the duration until I knew my teeth were solid again. Just glad the last major thing I did before I put playing on hold was playing the reed 3 part in 'West Side Story' with eight instruments (and added Eb clarinet to that as well).
No problems with playing oboe/cor or saxes due to the low pressure embouchure, but I did some practice on basset horn and glad I could still get a good sound from that and with a fairly firm embouchure.
The worst part was living on a liquid diet - mostly soup, and no spicy food at all so I really missed burgers and curries most! And what with it being the run up to Christmas I was glad to be able to eat solid food again come Christmas day. I lost 2 and a half stone (35lbs?) within the first two weeks which was pretty scary, but I'm back up to 14st now.
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
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Author: Carol Dutcher
Date: 2009-04-18 18:50
So sorry to hear about this terrible malady. This might help in the future. Do you have a Water Pik? A grand investment even though until you learn to use it properly you might squirt yourself in the eye. But anyhow, if you mix a little hydrogen peroxide, maybe a tablespoon, into the water in the water container, and spray your mouth maybe daily, it does help get rid of the nasties. I can't say that I do this daily, but I do it when I think about it or when my mouth feels "funny."
My problems seem to center on the inside of my lower lip, and I have learned I cannot eat chocolate anymore. I might have an allergy to chocolate.
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