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Author: Clarimeister
Date: 2008-11-28 04:25
Alrighty. We all know when it comes down to setup and barrels it ALL comes down to personal preference. Well, despite that, is there anyone here who recommends a certain brand of barrel for a Buffet Bb Festival clarinet in greenline. I don't think the greenline makes a difference of using wooden barrels. But, I'm just curious because I want to try out some barrels to go along with my Grenadilla Backun Bell on my setup. Right now I'm just using the stock Festival 66mm barrel which believe it or not is pretty fantastic for stock but I was curious to try out some new ones. Any recommendations what to try? Backun, Moennig, Chadash, Segal, Muncy, anything? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Author: cxgreen48
Date: 2008-11-28 12:19
Ridenour Ivorolon (hard rubber)
I haven't tried any other barrels, but the Ivorolon barrel is definitely an improvement over my YCL450 stock barrel, and it was very affordable (especially compared to other barrels' prices)
Post Edited (2008-11-28 12:21)
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2008-11-28 17:29
Blummy endorsing cocobolo?
There IS a Santa Claus.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2008-11-28 22:08
"Right now I'm just using the stock Festival 66mm barrel which believe it or not is pretty fantastic for stock"
Believe it or not, many many professional clarinet players are just using the stock barrels that came with their instruments. You'd almost think that the instrument makers where even designing those barrels to actually be used!
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2008-11-29 14:48
Well- of the cross section of pro players that I know in Europe, almost none of them use anything but the stock barrels that they bought with their clarinets. I'm not trying to say that there's anything wrong with trying other barrels (I've tried many). It's just that some people seem to think that using the original barrel is hardly an option, which I find a bit ridiculous.
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Author: Liquorice
Date: 2008-11-29 14:56
Clarimeister- be aware that the reverse taper barrels (eg. Chadash and Moennig) are not designed to be used with Buffet Festivals. The intonation won't work as the 12ths will become too small in the left hand.
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Author: Alseg
Date: 2008-11-29 16:47
Liquorice is correct.
The Festival has a different register tube placement.
A very slight conical taper can alter the sound, but too steep and it will disturb the intonation.
With both the Tosca and Festival series, I request that clients send a working spare barrel to me prior to making a new barrel for them. The bores and sockets can vary enough to make a difference.
Disclaimer: I make custom barrels for sale.
Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-
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Author: Bob Phillips
Date: 2008-11-29 17:08
Our local symphony/Buffet mafioso insist that my clarinets sound best with the stock Buffet barrel, preferring it in blind testing to my Buffet Monig and Cocobollo alternatives.
ALTHOUGH, the Coco with its huge reverse taper helps the horn speak in the altissimo.
No barrel in my collection helps consistently in the instrument's various tuning challenges.
So my barrel money goes into the gas tank to drag my soul to my weakly lessons --a better use of the funds.
Bob Phillips
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Author: Clarimeister
Date: 2008-11-30 05:11
Ah, thank you very much for the suggestions. I am going to try the Fatboy Backun barrel in 66mm and see how I like it. I've tried some others of the Backun barrels and they are okay, but nothing to dramatic. I mean none of them really, for my horn, let it speak. Like I can't project as much as my stock so far. However, the Fatboy adds to the "projection" case for me so I'll see how it goes! I didn't know that about the Festival and reverse taper barrels. Thanks alot it very much helps me out for what I'm looking for!
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2008-11-30 06:48
>> The Festival has a different register tube placement.
>> A very slight conical taper can alter the sound,
>> but too steep and it will disturb the intonation.
What about the RC model? It has a different shape/size register tube than R13 and also different placement. I remember one local player which for some reason had a very bad stock barrel for her RC clarinet. Two other (and different from each other) barrels which were designed for the R13 improved her clarinet a lot without any negative effects.
To the original post: I only use my stock barrels (not Buffet), but occasionally (usually professional) players bring me instruments with all different types of non-stock barrels and I try them, sometimes with them together.
Here are barrels that I found are very good: Stock, Chadash (both his own, with no metal rings, and the Buffet type with metal rings), Moenig, Scott, Backun. Other type of barrel I either haven't tried or don't remember enough to comment. The only bad ones I've tried from this list are a few specific cases of problematic stock barrels (like the one on the RC clarinet I described above). I also exclude barrels not matching the tenon which can happen with any company. Another exception is the Backun barrels, which although Ithought were excellent, and other players liked them very much, I didn't like them (but you might like them).
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Author: Ed Palanker
Date: 2008-11-30 16:46
Every single barrel plays differently on every single clarinet and mouthpiece. You have to try them to determine if one plays better than the stock. The reason so many pro's use after market barrels in the USA is that they are available to try and if you find something even a little better for a couple hundred dollars that you think makes your life a little better then we go for it. My experience with the stock Buffet barrels is that the bore is too large and not enough taper, but that's what I think. They may play perfectly fine for some players with their mouthpieces or their concepts. Let's not forget, fifty years ago one had very little choice in after market barrels, now we have so many quality makes and woods to try. Why not change a barrel if you get a little boost. ESP
www.peabody.jhu.edu/457
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Author: coasten1
Date: 2008-12-01 18:35
Both my clarinet teacher and I play Buffet Festivals (wood) and she steered me in the direction of a Buffet Muncy barrel from Muncy Winds. The barrel gave the clarinet more focus and 'ring' as well as lowered the resistance a bit compared to the stock barrels.
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Author: jsc
Date: 2009-03-07 14:22
coasten1,
How is that Muncy barrel holding up? I've recently purchased my A Festival to match my Bb Festival and am now considering barrels for them. I'm currently playing on a custom Zinner and a recently acquired M30 profile 88. The Zinner is my main and the M30 is more for those times when there is no or little time to switch during certain pieces.
Joe
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Author: Clarimeister
Date: 2009-03-07 17:41
I was playing on a Backun Fatboy grendilla for a while but found that my stock barrel for my clarinet is actually better than that. It just thinned out and brightened the sound too much for my liking. I might try some muncy but we'll see.
[ Edited - GBK ]
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