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Author: GBK
Date: 2008-10-29 14:17
Sylvain wrote:
> Something we don't hear them play every day.
Now we can see why. ![[wink]](http://test.woodwind.org/clarinet/BBoard/smileys/smilie3.gif)
Sorry... Ricardo was fine but the rest of the orchestra was too stiff, uptight and clearly not in their element.
The kids of the Venezuelan Youth Orchestra played it with more feeling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vwZAkfLKK8
...GBK
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2008-10-29 14:56
Pretty much the whole concert is on youtube, not surprising for a Dudamel it's all latin american music.
There is a powerful rendition of the Revueltas Sensemaya.
I am not sure I agree with the uptightness of the Berlin players, they may not be in their element, but they seemed to all have a *great* time playing this program. One can criticize Dudamel for his somewhat flashy showmanship, but he really does seem to be able to infuse his enthusiasm even to one of the "squarest" orchestra in the word. They could barely stay in their seats.
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Sylvain Bouix <sbouix@gmail.com>
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Author: srattle
Date: 2008-10-29 16:13
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
I find it hilarious that anyone would call the Berlin Philharmonic square. Have any of you seen how they play now? Maybe 30 years ago. . .but. . .seriously, hilarious
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Author: fantasmacantos
Date: 2008-10-29 16:28
Just to say: it is NOT salsa! The Danzon is a popular style of music very different from salsa, and they dont have a similiar origen. Danzon is a genre from Mexico and Cuba.
Finally, I find this video much better than Venezuelan orchestra with Dudamel. loved the way Ricardo played the opening solo.
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Author: Sylvain
Date: 2008-10-29 18:56
srattle:
I looked at the concert calendar and checked what composer they were playing over the next few months, here is the list (yes I am probably missing some things):
Strauss, Mozart, Beethoven, Berio, Elgar, Bartok, Haydn, Brahms, Bruckner, Mahler
Now, they may not be "square", but Ginastera, Revueltas, and Villa-Lobos is certainly not what they usually play...
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Sylvain Bouix <sbouix@gmail.com>
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Author: mrn
Date: 2008-10-29 19:13
I really liked the Berlin video. I thought they were great!
The Venezuelan orchestra sounds "bigger" on the video primarily because they have more players and are playing indoors (apparently in the Royal Albert Hall, no less). The outdoor acoustics deadened the sound a bit in the Berlin recording (which you would expect), but I thought the orchestra played great (and definitely not square)!
They play at their best when the guy on the podium has curly hair, I think....
Post Edited (2008-10-29 19:29)
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Author: srattle
Date: 2008-10-29 19:41
I didn't say they were used to playing Ginestera. They definitely are not used to that, and I am very impressed with how well they actually played it considering most of the players probably have not played anything like it. (Villa Lobos perhaps)
This being said, are you trying to tell me that you think:
Strauss, Mozart, Beethoven, Berio, Elgar, Bartok, Haydn, Brahms, Bruckner, Mahler
are square?
Bartok?!?!?!? Berio is also definitely not square. Haydn was/is for me one of the coolest, hippest composers out there.
Just because something doesn't have a latin beat doesn't mean that it is "boring classical music"
Look at how they move!!!!! No they are not an orchestra of 20 year old Venezuelans (only one of them) but they are anything but square
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Author: Arnoldstang
Date: 2008-10-29 19:53
Check out the other winds....Albrecht Mayer on oboe and Emmanuel Pahud on flute. Albrecht is the most expressive wind player on this planet and Pahud is perhaps the most elegant. Add in Ricardo and you have an amazing trio.
Freelance woodwind performer
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Author: Geirskogul
Date: 2008-10-31 08:55
I thought they were awesome, even for being outside. It helps that the conductor looks EXACTLY like a former classmate.
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