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Author: chubq
Date: 2008-10-08 08:26
Is there some way that this bboard can be more organized so it is easier to find different subjects?
“If a composer could say what he had to say in words he would not bother trying to say it in music.”
~ Gustav Mahler
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2008-10-08 17:11
Hi chubq, welcome to our BBoard. Please tell us what you refer to as "organization" , we seem to see it as related to Search[ing] our archived threads, is your [mild] complaint as to how the Bulletin Board is presented and updated? I've had years of info retrieval with computerized systems much more complex than here, patents and literature, and have no difficulty in using this Search feature for even complex, multi-trial, search questions. [Am I getting out-of-line, Mark??] , Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: C2thew
Date: 2008-10-08 18:08
i think the search feature needs to be more refined so that you can see the valued articles posted first. (allow thread rating) as opposed to posts about what clarinet they are playing on, topics.
Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. they are but improved means to an unimproved end, an end which was already but too easy to arrive as railroads lead to Boston to New York
-Walden; Henry Thoreau
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2008-10-08 18:10
C2thew wrote:
> i think the search feature needs to be more refined so that you
> can see the valued articles posted first.
That's the "keepers" section. Value is in the eye of the beholder ...
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Author: NorbertTheParrot
Date: 2008-10-09 10:02
I suspect chubg is suggesting that the BBoard should support separate forums on different topics (at a finer granularity than the current division into clarinet, oboe etc.)
Most forums do this. It always seems like a good idea until you actually come to use the forum. In the case of Sax on the Web it works quite well, in other cases not.
Whatever our views - and I'm sure this has been raised before - I don't think this is going to happen now. Nobody is going to volunteer to categorise all the old posts, and introducing it for new posts would produce an unwelcome discontinuity in the user experience.
However, I think there is a half-way house that might work rather well. This is to allow posts to be tagged with keywords, at the discretion of the person making the post. Used properly, this would make the search facility much more useful, because the search function could be set to prioritise keywords over words occurring in the text of the post. I'll give a random example - try a search on "Leblanc". Many of the posts are about contra clarinets, which just happen to be made by Leblanc. Someone seeking information about Leblanc soprano clarinets would, I think, find it difficult to use the search function effectively.
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2008-10-09 10:49
NorbertTheParrot wrote:
> However, I think there is a half-way house that might work
> rather well. This is to allow posts to be tagged with keywords,
> at the discretion of the person making the post.
It's not a bad idea ... but what do you think would happen if a few thousand posts get tagged with 'Leblanc'? Or if the wrong keywords get entered (which most certainly will happen - most browsers make "suggestions" from previous entries)? It would be a mammoth job keeping the system corrected. Also, people who didn't add keywords would end up needing a search system just like the one we have now.
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Author: skygardener
Date: 2008-10-09 11:56
One thing about the Search feature that I don't like is that each "hit" is for each post that has the term you were searching for. So you can get 200 results for only 30 different threads.
Is there any way to make so you only get one result per thread?
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2008-10-09 13:55
skygardener wrote:
> One thing about the Search feature that I don't like is that
> each "hit" is for each post that has the term you were
> searching for. So you can get 200 results for only 30
> different threads.
> Is there any way to make so you only get one result per thread?
That is a good idea; I should be able to collapse the hits to threads rather than individual posts without much trouble (it's a small postprocessing job rather than a big "human" job). I'll have to write a few lines of code & test - but it should be available next week or so.
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Author: Don Berger
Date: 2008-10-09 14:59
"Sounds" FINE, Mark, I've had that ?problem? also. The question has also been raised re: [what I call] "specificity", the ANDing of words required for retrieval. In chemical searching, I found it to be all-to-easy to over-specify terms which were too severe, resulting in elimination of the desired retrieval, along with the desired "false-drop" elimination. Multiple terminology such as generics, were troublesome, at least with "indexed" key-wordage. Full document indexing, such as Google et al does solve some problems.. Thots "retrieved" this AM. Others, please HELP ! Don
Thanx, Mark, Don
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2008-10-09 15:56
Don Berger wrote:
> Full document indexing, such
> as Google et al does solve some problems..
We are running a full text search without "fuzzy" matching (stemming only). Fuzzy matching returns way too much.
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Author: chubq
Date: 2008-10-12 07:02
i like the way sax on the web is organize.
“If a composer could say what he had to say in words he would not bother trying to say it in music.”
~ Gustav Mahler
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Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date: 2008-10-12 08:32
Something that I sometimes miss is the ability to bring up posts just by author. You can of course put in a name or a handle in the search box, but then you get all the posts that make reference to that author as well as all the posts BY them.
But perhaps that's tricky to implement.
Tony
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Author: Mark Charette
Date: 2008-10-24 16:13
Mark Charette wrote:
> skygardener wrote:
>
> > One thing about the Search feature that I don't like is that
> > each "hit" is for each post that has the term you were
> > searching for. So you can get 200 results for only 30
> > different threads.
> > Is there any way to make so you only get one result per
> thread?
>
> That is a good idea; I should be able to collapse the hits to
> threads rather than individual posts without much trouble (it's
> a small postprocessing job rather than a big "human" job). I'll
> have to write a few lines of code & test - but it should be
> available next week or so.
Done.
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