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Author: Victoria
Date: 2008-10-01 12:08
Is there much of a difference between these two clarinets (besides the price tag)?
Similarly with the Yamaha 450 and 650...
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Author: NorbertTheParrot
Date: 2008-10-01 12:37
Buffet: yes. The E11 is a wooden B12, made in Germany (or maybe now elsewhere????) not by Buffet themselves. The E13 is made by Buffet in France, and is very similar to the R13.
Yamaha: probably yes also. I suspect (I'm not certain) that the 450 is a wooden 250. The 650 is a near-professional instrument.
I can't see the benefit in buying "intermediate" instruments of this type. Play a good plastic instrument till you are reasonably competent, then go to a shop with a good selection and buy whichever wooden instrument you like best, regardless of brand-name and (so far as possible) regardless of price.
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Author: Victoria
Date: 2008-10-01 12:58
Thank you!
Wooden is definitely better at higher levels then? (excuse the dumb, I haven't picked up my clarinet in about 12 years)
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Author: clarnibass
Date: 2008-10-01 12:59
There are probably differences that are listed in their catalogues, which might tell you something (possibly not). Generally speaking (there are lots of exceptions), the "better" the model there are certain improvements you can notice which are not in the catalogue. The build and the keys are usually better - better design, more accurate, etc. The instrument also plays better - IMO especially the consistency of all the notes, and possibly intonation.
I don't agree with Norbert The Parrot about the "intermediate" instruments. For some people that is a big improvement over some student models, but they really don't need anything more expensive than that, and maybe never will.
Wood is not necessarily better at any levels. Buffet Greenline is an example, or some student Yamahas which are IMO better than supposedly better wood instruments.
Nitai
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Author: cxgreen48
Date: 2008-10-01 19:27
the YCL 450 is a wood, silverplated (or nickelplated for 450N) version of the 250.
The 650 has an adjustable thumb rest, tapered inset with tapered undercut (450 has straight inset with tapered undercut).
** take from the Yamaha website
Could someone explain to me what the difference is between these tonehole cuts?
I also believe I read somewhere (maybe it was music123, although the info. isn't always correct) that the 650 has a slightly smaller bore than the 450.
Post Edited (2008-10-01 19:28)
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Author: Chris P
Date: 2008-10-01 19:53
Tapered toneholes get wider as they get further from the bore, and tapered undercuts are widest at the bore and taper inwards to where they meet the tonehole diameter.
Having both tapered and undercut toneholes makes them hourglass-shaped in cross section >-< or >< and straight toneholes with a tapered undercut resemble a conical flask in cross section like this --<
Former oboe finisher
Howarth of London
1998 - 2010
The opinions I express are my own.
Post Edited (2008-10-01 19:54)
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Author: weberfan
Date: 2008-10-01 22:05
Victoria,
Others on this board have many more years of experience than I playing various makes and models of clarinets, some of them made of wood, some of resin, some of rubber and some of a composite formulation, like the Buffet Greenline.
From your other thread, you say you are taking your Buescher to a tech for a health check. If that turns out well, you may be satisfied with overhauling it and using it as your primary instrument for now, since you're starting up again after 12 years.
But while you're at it, why not play-test a few others...a Yamaha 250, or a Buffet E13 or an R13. Perhaps Howarth in London has some new or used clarinets you'd enjoy playing. Try various models, especially if you have a mouthpiece that you're comfortable with.
Then decide if you want to spend the money now to upgrade or add.
Post Edited (2008-10-02 00:43)
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Author: DavidBlumberg
Date: 2008-10-02 14:54
"I can't see the benefit in buying "intermediate" instruments of this type. Play a good plastic instrument till you are reasonably competent, then go to a shop with a good selection and buy whichever wooden instrument you like best, regardless of brand-name and (so far as possible) regardless of price."
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Some players never will put the $ in for a Pro horn so an intermediate is much preferred to a beginner model.
And though it is said that the E-11 and B-12 are identical, I have a chart that says that they aren't. They have slightly different bore dimensions.
http://www.wwbw.com/customerservice/buyguides/charts/Step-Up%20Clarinet%20Chart.pdf
So who's wrong?
http://www.SkypeClarinetLessons.com
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